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Re: What would you suggest?
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2021, 11:08:51 pm »
I feel a big part of good 'self-reliance' is boundaries. Boundaries don't say I am more important than you or you are more important than me. They say, we are equal but have different needs at different times, and that means sometimes I have to say no even when you want me to say yes, and sometimes I need to say yes when my own selfishness may tell me to say no. Helping someone else isn't usually about giving them whatever they want or ask for (and Heavenly Father is a PERFECT example of this), but doing what is most actually helpful, which includes taking care of self as needed.

I do like Patty's comment on the subject, about what it means to be a Zion people, basically, with being interdependent. But the most effective interdependence is rooted first in charity, then in BOUNDARIES. Because it's not about what is expected, or a pile of 'shoulds.' It's about what is actually and truly best.
 
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Re: What would you suggest?
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2021, 05:11:09 pm »
Thanks everyone for you input.   the following is the English half of my talk.


We are a covenant people.
We hear variations on that phrase all the time from our leadership. President Nelson has coined a phrase which regularly repeats in Conference talks now, the phrase is,  “on the covenant path.” 
This has made me think more often of my own covenants, their meanings and their significance .  When I contemplate covenants , I think of them in the context of our roots in the Old Testament,  for example the covenant made with Abraham, complete with technicolor images from movies like The Ten Commandment and Ben Hur in my head.
More sanely, I also think of covenants in the context of loyalty, hearts bound together in purpose, obedience, giving ear, hearing Him, and  how I feel when I am in the  serenity and security of the Celestial Room.  I think of covenants as a treasure which we, as the covenanted, protect, watch over,  and to which we are stewards. And I have to add, the history, the gravity and the responsibility of being a covenant person has become more intimidating and urgent to me as I get closer to standing before the Judgement Bar.

Almighty God has set the terms of these covenants.  We are here in this assembly today because we agreed to those terms.  And we know the promises that absolutely will be ours if we keep up our end of the agreement. 

I wondered if other Christian churches made covenants.  Catholics do not unless you consider their vows for priests and nuns a covenant.  Google says yes, other Christians may make a covenant with their church, a sort of optional super membership. 

It seems to me then, that the covenants we make as Saints are of a different  order. One because they are between the individual and Almighty God,  not to a church.  Second because covenants are available to everyone qualified  over the age of eight, starting with Baptism. We truly are the elect, with all the serious consequences that brings.

I was a broken, beaten sorry mess when I came into my first covenant, well after the age of eight. This part of the baptism covenant from Mosiah 18: 8 and 9 has always resonated with me:

“ as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light;
9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort,”
This scripture  resonates because I understand abuse, neglect, isolation and rejection. I know what it feels like to be unloved. I know how it feels to have hands that hang down and feeble knees (Hebrew 12) It is my privilege to serve those who are in need. Because part of my covenant is to be kind.
The promise which follows the commitment to minister to and be the Good Samaritan for others on our covenant path is also from Mosiah 18:  that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life—
what better promise than that!

The covenants we make as Saints are not limited to compassionate service nor ministering.  All our days 24/7 we are under a covenant.  It follows then, that our first day of the week is of prime importance, the Sabbath.

In Doctrine and Covenants we are instructed:
“Thou shalt go to the house of prayer and offer up thy sacraments upon my holy day,” and “Thou shalt offer a sacrifice unto the Lord thy God in righteousness, even that of a broken heart and a contrite spirit.” (D&C 59:9, 8.)
In a church publication from 1978 I found this quote:

... we (should) think of the sacrament as a time when we renew our covenants by bringing a renewed and ever-deeper offering of humility, action, and increasing commitment…

To keep that important promise to focus on and renew covenants every Sunday, finding a meetinghouse and getting to Sacrament meeting, and partaking of the Sacrament has been part of our travel arrangements for decades.  I am very grateful, except for the last two years, to rarely miss an opportunity to receive Sacrament.
Having those wonderful memories, having those interactions the world over, is a lovely by-product of being a covenant person.

In this short talk, I have only been able to address covenants in a limited way,  But I hope my words will inspire you to think about your covenants, and how important it is to keep them, and to renew them through the partaking of the Sacrament on the Sabbath.

I leave these thoughts with you in the Name of Jesus Christ.
 
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Re: What would you suggest?
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2021, 12:02:46 pm »
Amen.
Nauvoo 1270, Feb 2005
 
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