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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2020, 07:51:14 pm »
I find bras infinitely more uncomfortable as the first layer.
Me too. Wearing the garment top [DrySilque] near the skin has stopped my poor body from breaking out in boils from the materials and hardware of bras. Also, even though I am short wasted I get the longer version of the tops so I can tuck them in to prevent the rash from the rubberized elastic from the garment bottoms.

Growing up I couldn't wear store bought underpants because of the elastic, so my Mom made me knickers out of the flour sacking. She didn't use elastic either, but rather they were held on with ribbon threaded through the waist, the leg hem hit my knees. So garment bottoms were a comfy fit for me.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2020, 09:19:07 pm »
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Yes, on a full moon I find an extra pair of underpants useful as I turn into a werewolf.   

Great!   :-\    Now I've got "Werewolves of London" stuck in my head.     :P  ;)
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2020, 09:44:37 pm »
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I made a covenant to obey.  I am already obeying in ways that are annoying and uncomfortable, but I do it anyway and don’t continually gripe about it.  So forgive me for my knee-jerk reaction.  It’s my way.  I have a ten-minute temper tantrum, then gird up my loins and don’t look back. ....

LOL ditto.  But my tantrum lasts for days.  So, good for you!
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2020, 09:57:54 pm »
This makes sense since the newer tops do not seemed designed to accommodate wearing a bra over the top.  I think most women these days wear their bras underneath their garnents anyways.  Not sure why anyone would want to wear another layer under their bottoms though.  Maybe skin sensitivity reasons?

When I work out, I always try if at all possible to wear the garment.  But I wear compression shorts or brief-type underwear underneath, depending on what activity I'm doing.  I'm kind of weird, though. 
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2020, 10:20:22 pm »
When I was in the military, I was instructed to not expose garments to ridicule. They were brown, so under a uniform blouse, they looked just like a military issue brown undershirt. However, when I knew I would be working outside and it was hot, and everyone would be just working in their undershirts, I didn't wear my garments, because the marks were sewn and everyone asked questions. Now, I understand that the marks are silk-screened on the inside so that nobody else sees them when you're just working in your undershirt. I wish they had "exercise garments" like that.
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2020, 04:49:48 am »
This makes sense since the newer tops do not seemed designed to accommodate wearing a bra over the top.  I think most women these days wear their bras underneath their garnents anyways.  Not sure why anyone would want to wear another layer under their bottoms though.  Maybe skin sensitivity reasons?
Or during menstruation to either a. keep sanitary napkins in place or b. to keep the garment as unstained as possible.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #51 on: February 22, 2020, 01:34:14 am »
I've always had sensory issues. For example the touch of clothing on my skin has always been an issue. I was a bit worried before going to the temple how the clothing would affect me. It was bliss. When I have to wear bra under garment tops, it reminds me quickly why I like it the other way around.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2020, 01:11:23 pm »
 When I first went to the temple (Chicago, about 10 years ago), I was taught to wear my temple garments under other foundations. It felt very strange to me at first, but I became accustomed to it fairly quickly. Now I feel even stranger if I wear them in reverse - which I will do in certain circumstances.

When I escorted my daughter for her first time in the temple (Nauvoo, 3 years ago), there was no instruction given.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2020, 05:34:46 pm »
This makes sense since the newer tops do not seemed designed to accommodate wearing a bra over the top.  I think most women these days wear their bras underneath their garnents anyways.  Not sure why anyone would want to wear another layer under their bottoms though.  Maybe skin sensitivity reasons?
Or during menstruation to either a. keep sanitary napkins in place or b. to keep the garment as unstained as possible.

This is what I was referring to here, Laurie. Maybe a bit too subtly.  ;D


As for another layer under the bottom, maybe on a monthly basis depending on individual needs or comfort?
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2020, 05:44:23 pm »
On a related topic (maybe this ought to be another thread), the BYU Honor Code has been revised to remove references to homosexuality or expressions of homosexual behavior or attraction. Everyone is now simply required to live a chaste & moral life.

Some students & others are interpreting this to mean that students who are attracted to the same sex can now practice the same forms of PDA that straight people have always been able to do, like kissing or holding hands. This, some say, gives gay or lesbian students more freedom to have real dates & express who they are & enjoy social outlets like the majority of the BYU community.

OTOH, Church leaders have taught for ages that dating is preparation for marriage, & people interact with the opposite sex to determine what they are seeking in a spouse. The eventual goal after years of boy-girl dating from adolescence on is marriage. How does this work for same-sex couples who revealed doctrine says will never be able to marry? is the school setting them up for frustration & disappointment by letting boy-boy or girl-girl couples date, be exposed to the same possibilities as boy-girl couples, including maybe falling in love, but not be able to marry each other?

« Last Edit: February 22, 2020, 06:13:17 pm by Curelom »
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #55 on: February 22, 2020, 11:37:36 pm »
This makes sense since the newer tops do not seemed designed to accommodate wearing a bra over the top.  I think most women these days wear their bras underneath their garnents anyways.  Not sure why anyone would want to wear another layer under their bottoms though.  Maybe skin sensitivity reasons?
Or during menstruation to either a. keep sanitary napkins in place or b. to keep the garment as unstained as possible.

Yep that's why! Time of month is horrible and garments make it worse with pads moving as Laurie said! Iblike slightly looser attire and so that did not bode well. Honestly for me by the end, as well as on bad days, I stopped using garment bottoms as that time of month was so dreadful.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #56 on: February 22, 2020, 11:43:56 pm »
There's a ward in my Stake that taught a great lesson. There was a period of time where the deacons sat on the stand choir seats for a couple months rather than on the pews in front of the sacrament table. They did this for a month, and after Sacrament meeting once, the Bishop came to their Deacon's quorum meeting and asked them why they thought they did this now. There were many doctrinal reasons they came up with, trying to find a deep significance. At the end the Bishop nodded, smiled, and then said, "About 2 months ago, someone in the ward that meets before us threw up on those seats. I quickly invited you up here while the cleaning dried. You just kept coming up week after week. It's time to go back."

You can find deep significance in anything. And that doesn't mean it can't become truly meaningful and significant. It just doesn't necessarily mean it has anything to with the original impetus behind an action. I truly believe most of the things that are done were ALREADY done by other cultures, and God gave them NEW meaning and significance, divorcing them from their original reasons.

This is how lived religion works, and the Church leaders have the full right to do it. Some people like every single thing they do to be imbued with deep meaning. I just think it's worth acknowledging the process, like dyany does.

I'm reminded of this, from OSC:

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“Call them stories. When things happen, we invent stories about them. About why they happened. That’s all science is, and history—stories about why things happen or happened. They are never, never true—never complete and always at least a little bit wrong, and we know it. But they’re true enough to be useful. I doubt our minds could even grasp the whole truth about anything—the nets of causality spread too wide to be held within a single mind. But the stories, the useful lies—we share those and pass them on and when we learn more we improve on them, or when we need different stories for new circumstances, we change them and pretend we always told them that way.”

This reminds me of the story about the lady that always cut the ends off of a roast before cooking it, because that's what her mom did and there must be a reason. Turns out her mom's pan was just too small for most roasts.

However, it's no skin off my nose to use my right hand to take the Sacrament if the Brethren saw it important enough to specify. "Whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants...". If they're mistaken, it doesn't hurt anything. If they have deeper reason, someday I'll find out and be glad I complied.

Our Deacons sit in the choir seats!
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #57 on: February 23, 2020, 03:24:10 am »
This makes sense since the newer tops do not seemed designed to accommodate wearing a bra over the top.  I think most women these days wear their bras underneath their garnents anyways.  Not sure why anyone would want to wear another layer under their bottoms though.  Maybe skin sensitivity reasons?
Or during menstruation to either a. keep sanitary napkins in place or b. to keep the garment as unstained as possible.

Yep that's why! Time of month is horrible and garments make it worse with pads moving as Laurie said! Iblike slightly looser attire and so that did not bode well. Honestly for me by the end, as well as on bad days, I stopped using garment bottoms as that time of month was so dreadful.
I feel for you. I did the same thing when mine were at their worst. SO glad menopause hit so early for me.
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #58 on: February 23, 2020, 08:39:51 am »
Here's an interesting blog post by the always worth reading Jonathan Stapley on the timeline history of the ritual of the Sacrament and the Right Hand in Latter-day Saint tradition.

2020 Handbook: The Lord's Supper and the Right Hand
 
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Re: Major overhaul of Church Discipline
« Reply #59 on: February 23, 2020, 06:52:24 pm »
Thanks for the link, Taalcon. The historical perspective was really interesting.

Some of the comments on Stapley's article, and many of the comments on news outlets like KSL cast this new announcement as "nit-picking," "Pharisaical," etc. My thinking is that, "If you don't like it, then don't do it." It's not a commandment. It's not even a requirement. It's a statement. It doesn't change the ordinance.
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