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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 02:41:51 pm »
I show up from time to time.  I will continue to do so...from time to time.
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 06:55:15 pm »
One other comment - it's not a matter of a charter OR a set of rules. It can also be both.

Personally, I don't mind having members of the forum who are not members of the church as long as they uphold the same set of expectations. People who are investigating or people who've been excommunicated but are working on getting their membership back are fine with me.

People who will argue - and I do mean argue - about whether the church is true or not, no. I don't feel like defending my faith to non-believers. I don't have the energy for that.

I agree
Time for a change.  I am yungmom, but have wanted a new username for some time.
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 11:47:29 pm »
Yes, Curelom, as Laurie said, there was an announcement sent out.  I ticked that box when I created this thread to make sure everyone knew about this because it is important.  If it brings back members who have left because the forum has not been living up to these types of things, all the better.

Thanks - I realized that when I went to check my e-mail later (I had come here first). And I was glad to see some old friends come back. :)

It seems many of us agree about welcoming anyone who agrees to comply with the charter and/or expectations of members. It isn't so different from being in church, where the Lord welcomes any of His children regardless of their actual Church membership status or what they believe.

 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2019, 12:09:48 am »
Charter looks good!  :)
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2019, 02:56:06 am »
Good to see you here, mirkwood and LoReilly!
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2019, 12:18:57 pm »
"While members are not required to share core beliefs, members are required to adhere to expectations.

Thanks, NT. Often the simplest solutions are the best.

I have moved many of the revisions I put forth in the "version 2" charter back into the first version posted at the top of this thread. I also did a little word smithing to tighten up the language and to reduce the length of the charter. I'll continue to revise and edit that version at the top as we go forward.

Please keep the suggestions coming!
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2019, 12:26:26 pm »
One other comment - it's not a matter of a charter OR a set of rules. It can also be both.

Personally, I don't mind having members of the forum who are not members of the church as long as they uphold the same set of expectations. People who are investigating or people who've been excommunicated but are working on getting their membership back are fine with me.

People who will argue - and I do mean argue - about whether the church is true or not, no. I don't feel like defending my faith to non-believers. I don't have the energy for that.
+1. There are many other places to debate about the truthfulness of the church. I don't want Nauvoo to become one of them.
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2019, 04:17:15 pm »
I didn't get the aforementioned email, but I usually visit daily.  No harm, no foul.
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2019, 07:25:25 pm »
The charter uses language that is very church focused.  My concern is that potential new participants may view that Nauvoo discussions are to be exclusively church focused, which is obviously not the case.

I'm a little co concerned about the language of due respect for prophetic authority.  Does that mean "when the proohet speaks the thinking is done" or is there room for disagreement on specific statements while acknowledging his authority to establish church policy? One potential risk is where church leaders have made statements that contradict each other discussion may devolve into "my preferred GA is more correct that your preferred GA."

Again with the church focused language, it is unclear if non-church sources may be cited or discussed.  I would like for the charter to be clear that any topic of discussion is ok, as long as it is respected to core LDS beliefs.
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2019, 09:40:29 pm »
JLM, thanks for your thoughts. Respect does not mean that the thinking is done. Hmm..I'll think of how to word that part.

"I would like for the charter to be clear that any topic of discussion is ok, as long as it is respected to core LDS beliefs." Will you please provide a suggested addition or revision?

Edit: With guidance from the Gospel Topics section on prophets, I have changed "In exploring and discussing gospel doctrines and church policies, we show due respect for prophetic authority," to "In exploring and discussing gospel topics and church policy, we proceed with the premise that prophets are inspired leaders called to speak for the Lord." I think that will shift the interpretation from one of finality to one which allows for ongoing light and knowledge.
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2019, 10:13:27 pm »
Call for clarity in the charter.

Option 1: "We allow personal insults and/or namecalling.  A certain thickness of skin isn't too much to ask, we're all adults here."
Option 2: "Personal insults and/or namecalling is not permitted, and is a reportable and actionable offense."

Examples of personal insults:
- Quoting an article saying something like "everyone except people who ride the short bus know this is a problem"
- Responding to a poster claiming X, with something like "it's funny when neo-Nazis try to use X in their argument"
- Talking about a public poll, and saying something like "it's hard to believe that 20% of people are idiots, but here we are"

I'm pretty sure I can be happy here either way, but the ambiguity is killing me.
What-about-ism is pointless. I like to think most people's responses to such arguments would be, "Yup. That person, who happened to wear the same political jersey I do/did, was totally wrong on that, too."
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2019, 11:48:39 pm »
"We avoid the spirit of contention" and "We avoid divisive communication" are not clear enough?

If you want to create an exhaustive list of specific infractions, be my guest. I'm not going to do it.
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2019, 01:10:08 am »
I'd also rather avoid unnecessary legalism.  Seems rather OT to me.  I prefer NT's "thick skin" approach over this namby pamby, gotta protect all those delicate Millennial feelings we're seeing too often at some universities these days.  Safe zones.... ::)
 
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2019, 10:29:16 am »
It's been a week. The suggestions have dropped off. Are we ready to formally adopt the charter as written?
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Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2019, 11:31:42 am »
It's been a week. The suggestions have dropped off. Are we ready to formally adopt the charter as written?
Yes - I vote yes as it is written.
 
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