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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2019, 10:55:56 am »
The proliferation of guns and the fetishization of them as part of gun culture is a significant contributing factor to gun violence in the USA and has been harmful the the safety and prosperity of its citizens. 
In this, the entertainment industry--movies, music, games--is just as culpable.
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2019, 11:28:54 am »
I'm curious about everyone's thoughts on some cities labeling the NRA as a terrorist organization.
So, yesterday, I went to the annual meeting of my local gun range.  NRA membership is required for this place, so around 20-30 NRA members having a meeting.  Some things that happened:

- Started meeting with the Pledge of Allegiance.
- I won a $50 gift card to Cabelas.
- Safety rules were re-re-emphasized, and stories were told about that one guy who didn't ensure the range was cold before we wandered downrange to place a target.  Some discussion about what to do with members who break safety rules (suspension, kicked out, note in record).
- Info on how to stay friendly with the neighbors.  Constant goal of zero rounds escaping the berms.  Stories about how one neighboring house has been hit by rounds five times, none of them from the firing range - the rounds all came from negligent practices of neighbors not associated with the range.
- Zero discussion of politics.  The "T" word was not uttered as far as I heard.
- Lead recovery efforts have resulted in 7 tons of lead taken out of berms.  Selling the lead resulted in a net gain for the range.
- No snacks.  Other than this grievous oversight, it was the best dang terrorist meeting I've ever attended!
What-about-ism is pointless. I like to think most people's responses to such arguments would be, "Yup. That person, who happened to wear the same political jersey I do/did, was totally wrong on that, too."
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2019, 02:49:56 pm »
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Other than this grievous oversight, it was the best dang terrorist meeting I've ever attended!

And just like that, you're on the watchlist!    Dang those searches.
Nauvoo 1270, Feb 2005
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2019, 12:26:42 pm »
Good to know that some local NRA chapters are sticking with their beneficial purpose.  What efforts are underway to reign in the national leadership?

A little bit of a side tangent, but I think this is kinda similar to rhe issues with BSA.  Good dedicated leaders and members on the ground level, but a sense with many (especially with senior LDS leadership) that the BSA top brass has lost its way.  Many leaders of organizations believe that their organizations must grow on power and size, and in doing so depart from the core purpose of the org.  Ultimately by diluting the purpose and scope of the org, they often hasten its demise.
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2020, 11:53:04 am »
... but a sense with many (especially with senior LDS leadership) that the BSA top brass has lost its way.  ...

I just need to bat this idea down a bit.  In spite of what Elder Ballard said about "The Boy Scouts left us," such is not, strictly, true.

Any change in Boy Scout policy has to be unanimously approved by its governing board, which contained at least two general authorities.  So, any change to the boy scouts could have been completely prevented by the church if it had wanted to.

We left the boy scouts for many reasons, mostly because the financial resources we were devoting to boys in North America could be better spent on a world-wide program.  Plus it allows us to say we spend the same on Young Women as we do on Young Men (although the Young Women didn't get MORE money, we just took stuff away from the Boys to make a program which is "equally sucky for all.")  How very socialist of us.

But the changes to boy scout practices could easily have been prevented, if that were important to us.
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2020, 11:56:53 am »
Oh, and I came to this thread to comment on the Texas church defenders from a few weeks ago.  A few of us who don't usually carry were talking about it, and how those carriers basically reacted exactly right.  Eight people stood up, and didn't take a shot at the gun-wielding mad man, because they didn't have a clear line of fire.  One guy, who was clearly well-practiced, had a shot and took it, ending the situation.

Good.

We were musing that at our Latter-Day Saint gathering, we would have been sitting ducks.  Hopefully we would be protected by Diving Providence, which can be a powerful protection.  :)
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2020, 05:21:09 pm »
We left the boy scouts for many reasons...
I think there was a fair bit of inspiration in that decision. Now that there is a class action law suit and a BSA fund to compensate victims of abuse, it would be a bitter pill for most members to swallow, knowing that their donations were going for those expenses.
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2020, 06:23:40 pm »
Unfortunately, we may be looking down the barrel of lawsuits down the road.  The Boy scouts forced us to do background checks of new young men leaders that we called.  They even excluded people based upon their own records, although some of these people could pass a background check.

Now, we still have requirements of two-deep leadership, but there is absolutely no required background check for new leaders.  This is a situation fraught with danger.  Not looking forward to the issues in 5-10 years.
 
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Re: Guns in the Handbook
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2020, 01:13:37 am »
Gun violence: In the 1950s, high schools had rifle clubs and children kept their rifles in their lockers. No mass school shootings. Adults could purchase guns from their local hardware store and even Sears catalogs with no questions asked and no ID presented. Guns are just inert tools.

What changed between 1950 and 2020? We in the U.S. are reaping what we have sown for decades. We have turned away from the God of the Bible, either entirely to atheism or to an agnosticism where everyone creates a God in the image of their own pride. We are becoming more violent and guns are just convenient tools. If there were no guns, the violent would use knives, improvised explosive devices, rocks, or sticks. 

“We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” [John Adams]

As for carrying firearms in church, it is not my church. It is the Lord’s church, and I have raised my hand numerous times in an oath to sustain the church leadership. That leadership has prohibited guns in the Lord’s church buildings and I will comply. The consequences of my compliance, good or bad, belong to the Lord. I am a big fan of Captain Moroni and a big fan of the 2nd Amendment, but physical death is not the worst thing that can happen to us.
If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.
Ronald Reagan
 
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