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Re: Name of the Church
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2018, 11:09:13 am »
Nottoc (welcome back, BTW!), I agree except for one thing: it wasn't just the previous prophet's efforts.  It was the efforts of the entire church system, organized and planned by the full 15.  As we are consistently taught, the decisions made by the 12 and the 1st presidency are discussed until they are all in agreement, and seeing as he was part of the 12 when that campaign came out, either he is admitting to being part of the mistake, or else everything we've been taught about them all coming to full agreement is a lie.

I was thinking about this a lot last night.  I feel like there may be a generational thing, but it could possibly be a fear that admitting any mistakes were made might dilute the doctrine or discredit the church in some way.  But I actually feel the opposite is true.  For instance, the earliest implementation of polygamy was near nightmarish.  If we believe every little action done by Joseph Smith on the matter was 100% inspired, then it calls some basic tenets of faith into question.  But if, instead, we believe that Joseph Smith had a broad command (implement polygamy for the present time) with little to no direction on exactly HOW it needed to be implemented, and that he then fumbled and floundered (i.e., made mistakes) in early efforts to implement it, I have a much easier time.  Because it reminds me of a few important things: 1) What some of us may consider huge mistakes, God doesn't always consider to be big enough mistakes to stop, because he knows what is ultimately most important and what isn't. 2) " it is not meet that I should command in all things; for he that is compelled in all things, the same is a slothful and not a wise servant."  God will command where he needs to, but we are supposed to be growing and learning and becoming, and that often requires figuring things out ourselves and making poor decisions. 3) Mistakes and some suffering are necessary for learning and growth.  That is exactly why the plan was set up the way that it was.  This is why God doesn't micromanage his church, though sometimes we wish that he would.  This is why even the church itself is allowed to make a few missteps over the years in policy and procedure (not in doctrine). 

But I really, REALLY wish that we could get admittance of the missteps in implementation.  Because sometimes I think God had a purpose for doing things the way he did it before, even if we, in our anachronistic vision, cannot see it, in which in those cases it was right, but sometimes we just didn't have enough light and knowledge yet or we flat out made mistakes, and it is, to me, a sign of strength and helpful to testimonies to hear, "you're right, we didn't do that as well as was needed, or maybe even as well as we could have.  The doctrine doesn't change.  God doesn't change.  We are doing our best to implement his commands, but sometimes we make mistakes in the implementation."

Does that make sense?  My testimony is not faltering.  I feel that even this irritation is most likely a result of the weakness of man trying his best, and not a capricious God.  God just doesn't micromanage.  It undermines the plan.
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Re: Name of the Church
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2018, 12:36:06 pm »
President Nelson himself had to have signed on to the I am a Mormon campaign, since we know all those decisions are made by consensus.   

I heard what he said as saying that if we continue doing that at this point, so that the people we are supposed to be finding believe we worship Mormon rather than Jesus Christ, THEN we will be in trouble.   

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Re: Name of the Church
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2018, 06:06:51 am »
Dyany, thank you so much for your comments. I needed to read them. They were very helpful.
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Re: Name of the Church
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2018, 01:44:48 pm »
everything you said but to save space and double reading, just putting this instead

When I heard President Nelson tell us that we were to STOP using Mormon Church, Mormon pretty much anything other than Book of Mormon I pumped my right fist in the air and say Yes Yes Yes Finally we have been told to Go Back to the name that Jesus Christ told us to name HIS church.

After Christ was crucified, His disciples/ prophets were told to STOP animal sacrifices. I am sure there were many who balked at this and continued to offer up burnt sacrifices.

This General Conference each time our Prophet spoke - to me he was prophesying to us. I gave up taking notes - just couldn't keep up, so I wrote: READ the Ensign, and underline prophecy - in my notes.

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