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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1080 on: October 17, 2020, 04:33:53 pm »
Members are always welcome to share a different perspective.

This is not about being anti-GOP or pro-Dem, but being pro-America & wanting what's best for our country.

Anyone might guess that many Nauvoodles are Republican or at least NP (this is, after all, a home for LDS folks 😆). Many good people (& I say that phrase without irony) who are known to be Republican, conservative-leaning, or moderate (IOW not loons on either extreme) have issues, & not all have openly endorsed Biden but all have condemned Trump’s words or deeds. Many of these are retired or former, & titles are for identification.

•   Governor John Kasich, Ohio Republican who spoke at the DNC - how often do you see that? The last GOP challenger to drop out in 2016, whom I had hoped to be able to vote for in the presidential election.
•   General Colin Powell
•   General James Mattis
•   Admiral Samuel Locklear,
•   Defense Secretaries William Perry, William Cohen, Chuck Hagel, & Ash Carter
•   Defense Secretary/CIA Director Leon Panetta
•   FBI/CIA Director William Webster
•   General & CIA/NSA Director Michael Hayden
•   NSA Director Susan Rice
•   Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Elizabeth Neumann
•   Olivia Troye, former Covid advisor to VP Pence
•   The family of national hero John McCain
•   Jerushah Duford, granddaughter of another national hero, Billy Graham
•   Reverend Richard Mouw (evangelical pastor, president of Fuller Theological Seminary)
•   Nobel Laureates Sidney Altman, Frances Arnold, Robert Lefkowitz, Elizabeth Blackburn, Harold Varmus, Steven Chu, James Peebles, Shuji Nakamura, & 73 others, all in chemistry, medicine, or physics).

https://www.newsweek.com/every-major-republican-speak-out-against-trump-just-days-before-election-1539643

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/politics/military-leaders-trump-floyd-protests/index.html   

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/27/all-the-republicans-who-have-endorsed-joe-biden-for-president/#368539487340

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-former-gop-national-security-officials-endorsement

And we certainly don’t want to lose sight of Trump in all our chatter, so let's give him space for his latest endorsement.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/13/trump-endorses-biden-for-resident-of-nursing-home-in-tweet/
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1081 on: October 18, 2020, 12:25:16 pm »


This is not about being anti-GOP or pro-Dem, but being pro-America & wanting what's best for our country.
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I will never understand how a law that prohibits drs and parents from refusing to agree to surgery that removes breasts and penis that kids want because they think they are not the sex they are born with (and which research shows doesn't improve mental health struggles mostly for those who do this in childhood) is "what's best for our country".   (Biden has publically promised to pass the House version of the Equality Act within 100 days.)

Or higher taxes to on the wealthy which won't raise enough to pay for the things the left wants (and will get because Biden has never been able to resist going along) is "what's best for our country".

Or packing the Senate by adding new states, or by insisting that the federal government should have power to impose medical and health laws that constitutionally belong to the states is "what's best for our country".   

I think those who think that a Biden administration will produce "what is best for our country" are plainly deluded.
Nauvoo 1270, Feb 2005
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1082 on: October 18, 2020, 02:09:35 pm »
I think those who think that a Biden administration will produce "what is best for our country" are plainly deluded.
One could say the same thing about another four years of a Trump administration.

There is great wisdom in our Constitutional separation of powers and how laws are created and implemented. Yes, the White House has a legislative agenda, but legislation still has to pass both branches of Congress anb be signed by the President. I believe a Presidential candidate's capacity to perform the duties of the office is more important than specific legislative promises. They don't control that. The "wall" paid for by Mexico is a good example.
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1083 on: October 18, 2020, 03:24:20 pm »
Trump talked about leaving the country if he lost the election.

Don't let the door fracture your coccygeal vertebrae. 🤣 🤣 🤣

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-on-if-biden-wins-maybe-i-ll-have-to-leave-the-country/ar-BB1a6XGD?ocid=msedgntp

Now Steve Bannon, a former Trump henchman, says that "If for any reason the election is stolen from, or in some sort of way Joe Biden is declared the winner" [not "if Trump loses"], Bannon expects Trump will run again in 2024.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-will-run-again-in-2024-if-he-loses-to-joe-biden-says-steve-bannon/ar-BB1a9xDc?ocid=msedgntp

So, that means Trump isn't going to "leave the country" if he loses [or if the election is "stolen"]? He can’t run for re-election from the Kremlin or Kim Jong-Un's presidential palace in Pyongyang, especially if he is evading extradition to face criminal charges in the U.S. As for the chances the GOP would nominate him again after these past four years... 🤪 🤪 🤪
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1084 on: October 18, 2020, 07:09:54 pm »
Donald Trump must win the election. He has half a billion dollars in loans coming due over the next few years. Ne needs four more years of forbearance so that he can do what he's always done: Figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul.  ::)
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1085 on: October 19, 2020, 12:29:04 am »
Figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul.  ::)
"Peter" meaning the US Treasury.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1086 on: October 19, 2020, 01:04:41 am »
Figure out how to rob Peter to pay Paul.  ::)
"Peter" meaning the US Treasury.
And "Paul" meaning the lawyers he is paying megabucks in the hopes of keeping him from having to pay anyone else, & maybe even keeping him out of state or federal prison.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1087 on: October 19, 2020, 01:48:10 am »
Not a good thing: a pro-Trump rally in San Francisco was attacked by radical protestors on the other extreme. Unless we believe some people’s charges that pro-Trumps staged it to claim victimhood & win sympathy, & frankly, IMO it’s a coin toss because neither extreme smells like roses & they both stink much of the time.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Conservatives-staging-free-speech-rally-attacked-15655736.php

But anyway, some people got battered. And this does not look good to folks who may be undecided, or may sympathize in principle with BLM but disapprove of violence. It doesn’t help “progressive” causes or Biden if people on the left emulate the goons who mobbed the Lansing state capitol with assault rifles & are implicated in the kidnap/murder plot against the governor, or the “very fine [neo-Nazi et al] people” that Trump encouraged after the Charlottesville tragedy.

We want better than what we have – everyone does. And that means we need to be better than what we have. It isn’t hard, people. Better than Trump. Better than the Boogaloos, Proud Boys, & QAnon. Better than the assorted fringe groups hiding behind pseudo-patriotic or churchy titles who are "Standing back & standing by" the first Potus in decades to openly egg on white supremacists. Better than all of them. How difficult can that be? Let’s all be civil & behave, vote, & look forward to an America that doesn’t need to be “Great Again” but needs to be OURS again.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1089 on: October 19, 2020, 10:03:37 am »
Thought those of you who want a strong economy and are considering Biden might want to understand the choices fully:  https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cost-of-bidenomics-11603055037?mod=hp_opin_pos_1
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1090 on: October 19, 2020, 10:47:11 am »
Couldn't read the WSJ opinion piece. It's behind a pay wall.

Here's an alternate point of view:https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-biden-is-better-for-the-economy-than-trump-11601494723
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1092 on: October 21, 2020, 01:33:03 pm »
Trump recently denied California’s request for a federal disaster after the latest spell of wildfires. Everyone knows how severe they were, but he used the occasion to harp on raking the forest floors. He has done this before, & like the other times, he later reversed the decision. More than a few people think this was all intentional so he could use these awful calamities as more opportunities to bash California, & because he enjoys pushing Californians' buttons (one way of accusing him of being sadistic).

Similar tactic: he is considering going after cities that give him headaches by taking actions that specifically focus on the health of the most vulnerable people. It looks like a surgical strike on Portland, Seattle, & New York. No doubt San Francisco & Oakland are in there somewhere, or he is at his desk pondering how he can nuke them too.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-white-house-is-considering-cutting-critical-funding-for-covid-19-aid-screenings-for-infants-and-addiction-treatment-in-democrat-run-cities/ar-BB1aggiV?ocid=msedgntp
 

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