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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1035 on: September 09, 2020, 03:21:24 pm »
Yes, we have a COVID forum, but this is also a political matter because this virus was made into a political issue when it should not have been. And that cost thousands of lives.

He knew on February 7 that COVID was “deadly stuff,” maybe 5 times more than the flu.

March 19: "I wanted to always play it down …I still like playing it down, because I don't want to create a panic." (Read: "Let's gamble that it won't kill thousands of people & mess up my re-election chances.")

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bob-woodward-book-rage-trump-admits-to-concealing-true-threat-of-coronavirus/ar-BB18ROUd?ocid=msedgntp

Now I have to go look up the stats to see how many cases have been reported in the U.S. since February 7, & how many deaths. Let’s make it March 19 to give the benefit of the doubt, as undeserved as it may be. They will still show a very high percentage of the cases happened on his watch, & of almost 195,000 deaths, the vast majority might have been prevented by prompt, decisive, informed action at the federal level with health experts allowed to proceed without continual meddling & misinformation.
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1036 on: September 09, 2020, 03:36:10 pm »
Preachin' to the choir, bro.

But not everyone wants to be part of the choir  ;D.

Sis
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1037 on: September 09, 2020, 05:02:48 pm »
of almost 195,000 deaths, the vast majority might have been prevented by prompt, decisive, informed action at the federal level with health experts allowed to proceed without continual meddling & misinformation.
Precisely what is the prompt, decisive, informed action at the federal level that was recommended by a consensus of health experts at the time would have prevented the vast majority of deaths?
 

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« Reply #1038 on: September 09, 2020, 11:41:06 pm »
It was widely reported that in the third week of February, Fauci and other top health officials were recommending social distancing and other measures, but they received a lot of pushback from the Trump administration, claiming that it wasn't serious at all. That was when Trump began tweeting about firing Fauci. Trump didn't start taking measures until a month later. There are several analyses which show that Trump's inaction early on cost lives. The NY Times even runs a "death clock," similar to the National Debt Clock, which shows that Trump's inaction cost over 100K American lives. Similar reports and rigorous studies have been published in many places, all of which Trump has waved off as "fake news."
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1039 on: September 09, 2020, 11:45:06 pm »
Here is a list of who can nominate someone for a Nobel prize,

According to the statutes of the Nobel Foundation, a nomination is considered valid if it is submitted by a person who falls within one of the following categories:

Members of national assemblies and national governments (cabinet members/ministers) of sovereign states as well as current heads of states
Members of The International Court of Justice in The Hague and The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague
Members of l’Institut de Droit International
Members of the international board of the Women’s International League for Peace and Freedom
University professors, professors emeriti and associate professors of history, social sciences, law, philosophy, theology, and religion; university rectors and university directors (or their equivalents); directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes
Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Members of the main board of directors or its equivalent of organizations that have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
Current and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (proposals by current members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after 1 February)
Former advisers to the Norwegian Nobel Committee

That’s a big list, certainly not all o whom I’d qualify as “intelligent“. So who nominated Trump.  Mr Tybring-Gjedde, and extreme right wing, racist Norwegian politician.  As of today, there are 318 valid nominations for the peace prize.  Somehow I think the committee won’t have trouble finding a more qualified candidate than Trump on that list. 
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #1040 on: September 09, 2020, 11:55:22 pm »
I do not like Trump. But I think with the Covid issues we can blame everyone or no one in different countries. The decisions and timings have been hard, the information and assumptions right, wrong and everything in between. Only when it's all over we can see what actions in the long run were the best. And even then we must remember that those making decisions did not have that information at the time.
 

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« Reply #1041 on: September 12, 2020, 06:09:37 pm »
...  Somehow I think the committee won’t have trouble finding a more qualified candidate than Trump on that list.

Did any of them make peace between Israel,  Bahrain, and UAE?  President Carter got it for only ONE country.

Did any of them make peace with the Taliban?  President Obama couldn't make that happen.

Have any of them presented a world-renowned process for peace between Israel and Palestine?  PRESIDENT Trump has.

Has any of them come even remotely close to North Korean denuclearization?  PRESIDENT Trump has.

Sure, he didn't write a somnambulistic novel on global warning, or walk into the oval and slap his shoes on the Resolute desk, or commit countless acts of terrorism like others have done to earn the award, but he's probably earned it.

FWIW, PRESIDENT Trump has previously been nominated by the Japanese head of state.  So it's not just crazy right wingers who rightfully nominate the man.
 

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« Reply #1042 on: September 13, 2020, 10:51:47 pm »
Not even when he actually brings peace to the disputes between Arab states and Israel than has long eluded presidents?   I'd say it is considerable more than what Obama did and he was awarded that prize (which btw has never been about whether some is a good guy, and all about having produced something good in the area of the award).
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« Reply #1043 on: September 14, 2020, 07:11:01 pm »
... that prize (which btw has never been about whether some is a good guy, and all about having produced something good in the area of the award).

The peace settlements are a great thing, no one will disagree. If Trump did what has eluded other presidents, that is an enormous accomplishment.

However, the Nobel Peace Prize, maybe more than other Nobels, bestows a tremendous gravitas on each recipient. It should not be awarded in a vacuum or reflect only one achievement, but also recognize what a person (or group) has done for humanity over the year. And someone who cannot maintain peace in their own country, among their own people, but actively sows discord & hostility, ought to have their nomination very, very seriously vetted.

Look at all the people whose honorary degrees or other awards have been rescinded when it came out later that they were major racists, or they molested women, or did other things in the past that now put the quality of their character in doubt. Bill Cosby, for example. If an award for achievement can be withdrawn because of overall moral failings or past misdeeds, then it's debatable whether a Nobel Peace should be awarded to anyone whose overall words & actions often have the opposite effect (& in many cases the opposite intent) of promoting peace.
 
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