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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #960 on: March 19, 2020, 02:40:40 am »
That speaks as if everything was clear and compelling 6 weeks ago. 6 weeks ago was February 5th, and we still did not have the results of the Iowa caucus. This thread was debating the merits of Romney voting to impeach. Trump's China travel ban had already been in place for 6 or more days, but at the time was attacked by Joe Biden as a hysterical and xenophobic response. But it did help slow the spread.

On the day after the Iowa caucuses what would have been the reaction if Trump had announced cancelling schools and universities, all sporting events, closing all restaurants and entertainment venues, all elective surgeries, churches, and promoting social isolation? That was not the clear answer at the time. 

There is no one right and perfect way forward that is absolutely clear and compelling. Our local mega hospital system in the heart of the US outbreak is still making changes day by day. They have made many mistakes and will continue to do so. Update emails come out once or twice a day.

Possible pandemics as reported in the news are somewhat like the boy who cried wolf. Most of the time there ends up being no real wolf. But eventually the wolf comes. That the Trump administration recognized an actual potential wolf and began taking steps back at the end of January is a good thing. But at the time the severity and size of the wolf was still evolving, as it continues to do today.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #961 on: March 19, 2020, 04:37:51 am »
I find it a good sign that they were willing to change in order to minimize deaths, despite knowing that this will prolong the duration of pandemic here, as well as worsen its economic impact on the country's finances and industry. If nothing else, I think President Trump knows well that if the economy is humming along he will be re-elected, and if it is not, then he will not get re-elected, yet he is making a choice that is going to prolong the financial pain, with a recovery possibly not happening until after the election.

We are not looking at “Profiles in Courage” here, at someone making an unpopular but heroic decision based on what’s best for America despite the cost to his political future. We are looking at someone who finds himself backed into a corner, not of anyone else’s making but one he painted himself into, & desperate to wiggle out of it. This is not about partisanship. We’ve had good & bad presidents of both parties, & I believe that given this specific situation, any of them, Republican or Democrat, would have done the right thing & put America first. On the contrary, Trump came to the White House with no government, military, diplomatic, law, health, religious, non-profit or any other service experience – by which I mean he has never truly served anyone outside of his own interests. He is not accustomed to doing what’s best for anyone else, & the cost of his lifelong self-absorption is now a cost to our country.

There really was no other choice. If he had doubled down on his, "Everything will be fine. This isn't as bad as the common flu" rhetoric against the mountain of scientific research and medical advice which shows just the opposite, he would have lost whatever credibility he had left, even with his base. That's not Monday morning quarterbacking, that's been the reality for six weeks. Trump is not a hero for finally accepting reality even though it will mean financial pain. That's political expediency, nothing more.

Exactly. The excuse-making for Trump needs to stop. He is a victim of his own incompetence. He got into that corner through his own bungling, arrogance, & refusal to heed people who actually know what they are doing. Now that there is no more room for temporizing, & it’s obvious to everyone that our country is in serious trouble, he is finally, reluctantly conceding to the expertise of those people he should have heeded for weeks. The total of (reported) U.S. cases will probably reach 10,000 today, & at least 155 have died. How many of those people might have been saved or spared their illness if we’d had a president who put less value on his own pride & stubbornness & more on what was best for America?
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #963 on: March 21, 2020, 10:42:38 am »
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COULD THEY HAVE BEEN SAVED?

Hmmm, an "anonymous source" is "quoting" classified documents in the media?  Sounds legit.  I'm sure their desire to stab the president won't overcome their oath to not share classified information.  And I'm absolutely sure their "quotes" are 100% accurate and in context.

It's just like those totally legit "an apostle said this in a stake conference my 3rd Cousin thrice removed's friend from Africa attended once" stories.
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #964 on: March 21, 2020, 11:03:31 am »
I think it's interesting that two weeks ago, Mitt Romney floated the idea of giving every taxpayer $1000 to help them get through the worst of this. He was labeled a socialist by members of his own party and by conservative media. The alt-right turned rabid. Now, Republicans are trying to get trillion dollar "stimulus package" through congress which does, among other things, exactly what Romney proposed. Once again, thank you Mitt, for placing people above politics.
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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« Reply #965 on: March 21, 2020, 01:59:18 pm »
Quote from: Curelom link=topic=545.msg15957#msg15957 date=1584765867
COULD THEY HAVE BEEN SAVED?
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I laughed when I read that headline.   The news started trickling out info in January and February.  Yet people laughed at Trump for shutting down access from China on Jan 31st.   Even today there are people having trouble forgoing their pay and sitting around with their family when they don't have paid leave or even if they do when America doesn't have as many old people living close together as other countries that have been hit hard have.   

NO ONE avoided disclosing risks, and certainly not the government.    Anyone who was reading newspapers in Jan and February didn't need a classified briefing to know that the risk of a pandemic was high ---- some of us lived through SARS, a virus that they first thought might be replicated.
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