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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #870 on: February 12, 2020, 06:51:53 pm »
Even Republican Senators (well, a few, anyway) think this looks bad, looks like interference with the court system.

https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Feds-back-away-from-Roger-Stone-sentencing-15048140.php
       
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-senators-say-trump-shouldnt-weigh-in-on-pending-sentences/ar-BBZVSUX?ocid=spartanntp
 
Some people learn their lesson after one impeachment.  ;D
 

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« Reply #871 on: February 13, 2020, 05:17:16 am »
From the SFGate article.
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The Justice Department said the sentencing recommendation was made Monday night — before Trump’s tweet — and prosecutors had not spoken to the White House about it.
According to the article, the White House does not appear to have influenced the decision. The currently known timeline of Trump's tweet, which he often does spontaneously, does not fit with him demanding a change via tweet and it being granted.

However, it has long been known that President Trump was disappointed in what appears to be selective prosecutions against him and his allies, and leniency or ignoring Democrats and/or political opponents or career justice and state people who committed the same infractions, such as when James Comey lied to congress, and the justice department lied to or misled the FISA court to get warrants against the Trump campaign and/or its participants.

I am led to wonder if the lawyers' outrage is as bad as it appears. 3 resigned from continuing work on the case, but are still continuing their other work at the justice department. And 1 is leaving the justice department for the private sector, but finding a job in the private sector is a long process, so if he/she has a job lined up, it has probably been a long time coming.

I do not know where to come down on this story, as it feels that the headline and the story are designed to grab attention and fit a desired narrative which could legitimately have other explanations. And since it was the topic de jour on the opposition talking head shows this evening, it might just be the latest attempt to find more mud.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #872 on: February 14, 2020, 03:22:01 am »
If there was no fault in what he did, are the Senators, including a few Republicans - even including Lindsey Graham - upset about nothing?

Anyway, Trump is gonna be Trump, & every other one of those politicians up there (of both parties) is gonna be their regular self-serving self. So.....

What lessons can a president learn from the ignominy of being impeached & going to trial, even if the trial was just a formality of going through the motions & the outcome was a foregone conclusion? Susan Collins hoped he would take some things to heart from the experience, & he most absolutely & certainly did.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-asked-what-he-learned-from-impeachment-trial-response-goes-viral
 

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« Reply #873 on: February 14, 2020, 09:53:44 pm »
Per a report on ABC news, it appears that Attorney General (AG) Barr had been urging President Trump to stop his tweets about the department of Justice for weeks.
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"Before breaking his silence Thursday in an interview with ABC News, Attorney General William Barr complained privately "for weeks" to President Donald Trump about his tweets and public statements related to Justice Department investigations, a person familiar with the matter said Friday."
I find it most likely that AG Barr independently came to the conclusion that the enhanced penalties added onto Stone's sentence were excessive, so changed the DOJ's recommendations, but that President Trump's constant tweets are making it impossible for him to appear impartial.

Knowing what I know about President Trump and AG Barr, if I had to guess which one was acting improperly, impulsively, against standard norms, and without much thought about the consequences for other people, 99/100 times I would pick President Trump as the bad actor. With a solid career already behind him and no need for further glory, I do not think that AG Barr again became attorney general just to cover for President Trump. The law has wide interpretations, and AG Barr may have some interpretations that coincided with what President Trump wanted to do, but those interpretations can only be taken so far. And I am glad to see President Trump receiving pushback from such a powerful figure.
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #874 on: February 17, 2020, 10:04:59 pm »
If some of you are like me, you enjoy consuming political news. I do not enjoy the all Trump all the time news shows, though. Recently I have been trying to listen to more and more about the various Democratic candidates.

Do any of you have particular favorites among them?
 

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« Reply #875 on: February 17, 2020, 10:47:11 pm »
I've been warming up to Amy Klobuchar.  She seems like a fairly down to earth moderate.  I took the full survey at ISideWith.com, remembering to weight the issues, and Amy was my highest match at 86%.  The next highest among those still in the running was Joe Biden at 81%.  Warren and Sanders were were in the low 70% range.  Lowest match, Trump at 30%. 

So, I'm in for Amy.
 

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« Reply #876 on: February 17, 2020, 11:57:17 pm »
Another one for Amy Klobuchar. Out of all the Democratic candidates, she most closely matches my own political convictions.

Super Tuesday could very well decide the Presidential election. If Klobuchar and Biden don't make it, it's likely Trump will win. Here's why: Trump's Republican base will vote for him. Most Democrats will vote for whoever the Democratic presidential candidate is. The large block of independent voters, who are mostly centrists, will decide the general election. If the Democratic candidate is Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren, a lot of independents will either stay home or vote for "the devil we know." Trump has already stated that he would love to run against Sanders or Warren, because he knows he will win. I think he's right. I don't think Biden is going to make it past Super Tuesday. Klobuchar is a long shot. The wild card is Pete Buttigieg. He's got a lot of momentum. Can he beat Trump? I have no idea.

I really hope Amy Klobuchar clears the Super Tuesday hurdle.
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #877 on: February 18, 2020, 12:24:38 am »
Agree and agree. James Carville had an interesting (and profanity-laden, of course) interview blasting the Democrats for going after pet projects rather than uniting behind an electable (i.e., more centrist) candidate that has a chance to beat Trump.

I hate the two main parties. I hate supporting that oligarchy. However, I haven't heard a peep from any potential 3rd party or independent candidate yet. I loathe Trump, and Klobuchar sounds so far like somewhat close alignment.

I don't mind Buttiegieg in many ways, but he is openly gay and that is going to hurt him (I think it was in Iowa where one of the caucus voters requested to change her vote from him to someone else after she found out he was gay, which is telling).
 

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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #878 on: February 18, 2020, 10:27:56 am »
I am so happy looking at all of the Democratic candidates.  There is no way that any of them can beat Trump, so I get to not really even worry about politics this year.  I was totally freaking out looking at the polls during the last presidential election cycle.  How could they possibly have been so wrong?  Could it have really been because they were still polling using land line phones nearly exclusively?

The millenial generation is so much more conservative than pretty much any generation except the greatest generation.  Why any candidate thinks that declaring himself or herself a "Socialist" is even possibly a win just astounds me.  But all the Democrats pretty much do, and it's a hilariously huge, stupid mistake on their part.  Bill Clinton would not even poll enough to make the main debate stage in the current Democrat party.

I so look forward to the Republicans retaking the house and expanding their majority in the Senate.  I so look forward to Trump filling the judgeships with even more constitution-loving judges.  Although I still occasionally pray for the health of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, just to avoid any bad thoughts in that arena.

So looking forward to Virginia going red again, because of their idiotic attacks on the second amendment.

So looking forward to the formerly sleeping dads showing up to the polls again.  Finally. 

Now, we just need to push for some fiscal responsibility.  These trillion dollar deficits are going to ruin us.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #879 on: February 18, 2020, 08:29:10 pm »
There is no way that any of them can beat Trump...
I think a couple of them have a chance. I think Trump can lose the election for himself. For example, if Buttigieg gets the nomination, and Trump starts tweeting homophobic stuff against him, Trump will turn enough people against himself that he won't get the votes he needs to win.

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Now, we just need to push for some fiscal responsibility.  These trillion dollar deficits are going to ruin us.
Yep. Ronald Reagan, Geroge H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama all presided over a national debt that pretty much doubled while they were in office. Trump is on the same trajectory. Bush's big expense was the response to 911. Obama's big expenses were the Great Recession and the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. Trump's big expense so far is the trade war with China and government assistance to keep agriculture from going under.
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« Reply #880 on: February 18, 2020, 09:36:26 pm »
I'm inclined to vote for Trump because our nation needs judges who believe their job is to interpret laws, not to make ones that Congress has been unwilling or unable to pass.   We need judges who understand and support religious liberty, and the importance of an undergirding morality in the way our nation functions.         

But if Ms. Klobuchar is the Dem candidate, I might be persuaded. 
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« Reply #881 on: February 18, 2020, 10:16:50 pm »
The polls were very accurate in 2016, and if anything, did even better in 2018.

Figuring out who is electable at this point in the process is almost impossible, figuring out by how much is truly impossible. A candidate like Sanders is likely to do better among Obama-Trump voters and worse among Romney - Clinton voters (the latter of whom seem to share an issue profile with a lot of members of this board). A Klobuchar like candidate would be the reverse. Given the shift of the rust belt to red and the sun belt to blue it's hard to say which would be more helpful to the Democrats this time. Right now every single one is beating Trump in head to head polls but I maintain it's too hard to predict this far out.

Which leads into the electoral college strategy. This is probably the most advantageous time in American history to be a Republican running for president. Depending on a few factors, it will be possible (not at all guaranteed but possible) for Trump to lose the popular vote by up to 5 points and still win the EC. But before any Republicans take too much pleasure in that, keep in mind that in 8 to 12 years the EC advantage resulting from that exact same shift will flip to the Democrats and to almost the same margin.
 
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« Reply #882 on: February 19, 2020, 01:07:50 am »
I am so happy looking at all of the Democratic candidates.  There is no way that any of them can beat Trump, so I get to not really even worry about politics this year.  I was totally freaking out looking at the polls during the last presidential election cycle.  How could they possibly have been so wrong?

They weren’t wrong. They were wrong on what counted under our electoral system, the final result in the Electoral College & not the majority of voters.

I so look forward to the Republicans retaking the house and expanding their majority in the Senate.  I so look forward to Trump filling the judgeships with even more constitution-loving judges.  Although I still occasionally pray for the health of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, just to avoid any bad thoughts in that arena.

It may be too early for projections, & for the first time in many election cycles we are hearing talk of a brokered convention because there really isn’t a clear leader among Dem’s at this point. And who knows that a GOP challenger may not yet emerge, a moderate conservative, clean & ethical with no load of dirty linen, who can unite reasonable conservatives who support some of Trump’s policies, may not support others, but hate the bedlam & chaos we have now & want order & sanity, decorum & dignity restored in Washington. Such a dark horse would have little chance to knock off Trump, but would give reasonable conservatives & reasonable people in general something to think about.

While many of us agree on many policy issues & matters of governance as a whole, I doubt most of us would say (at least not openly) that the executive, legislative, & judicial branches should be in lockstep with each other. We had that before, & it was called King George III. The intent of our Founders was to build in a degree of independence among the branches, with presidents requiring election & the Senate having confirmation power so a president could not simply stuff a cabinet with obsequious but inept cronies (well, at least not theoretically).

The Constitution mandates two houses of Congress with different length terms & overlapping terms (overlapping the terms of the other house as well as presidential terms) so all parties would have chances to exert their influence & no one could use his (or her) power or influence (or exploit fear & loathing, not that anyone in politics would do such a thing) to become a monarch in all but title. They did the same with the judiciary. The Constitution says that justices would hold office “during good behavior,” so their tenures would overlap presidential AND legislative terms & they would not have to cater to any political agenda at specific intervals.

In order to have a fair exchange of ideas to reach judicial opinions, it’s necessary for both strict & liberal constructionism to be represented on the Supreme Court. It’s like opposition in all things; without the justices being able to circulate ideas among themselves & learn each other’s reasoning behind those ideas, a truly just conclusion isn’t possible. The court then becomes a bulldozer for whichever POTUS was able to get the most justices seated. Currently it is Trump packing the court – what if in 2023 it is Sanders? Neither would be a good thing, & I don’t think that was the spirit of the Founders’ intent.

It wouldn’t hurt any voter to read & ponder the Declaration of Independence & its doctrinal godfather, the Magna Carta. The United States is not a monarchy, absolute or constitutional, the people are governed by their consent, & the powers of government must never be vested in a single person or branch. As simple as those ideas are, they are so important for both political parties – as corrupt as they both are – to keep in mind if they honestly want to dispel our mistrust & prove that they are the servants of the people.
 
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Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« Reply #884 on: February 19, 2020, 11:52:19 am »
Interesting that he did that right out in the light of day before an election year.  So many of the others pardoned their scoundrels on January 19th on their way out the door.
 

 


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