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« on: August 05, 2017, 03:40:58 pm »
Am I the only one who hates cutting up garments? I know it's time to get rid of them, but just have some problems making that first cut.

Speaking of cutting garments, why do we destroy the symbols? I understand that they should be removed from the garment before using the garment in any other way (such as rags), but if all you're gonna do is throw it away, why do we have to destroy the symbols?

I was always told so that someone won't steal them from the trash to a) use them unworthily or b) learn of the symbols. But, I've never understood those reasons. Anyone have any other reasons?
 

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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2017, 04:55:22 pm »
Shortly after Hubby and I married, in 2004 - I went through his garments. They were thread bare. After I got him new ones (like 24 pairs!!) I took the thread bare ones out to the burning barrel and burned them all.

When my Mom passed in 1983, those garments that were too well worn, we removed the symbols - then cut out the back of the tops to use as dusting rags. She wore 100% cotton, so they worked fine for that. The bottoms, well, we burned them in their entirety too.

I wear DriSylke and they are horrible for dusting or rags of any kind. Again, I burn them in their entirety. I take newspapers, roll each garment in 1/2 sheet of paper, then add it to the burning barrel.

I have a small laundry basket in the bedroom waiting for me to cut and toss. Can't burn because the landowner won't allow a burning barrel here.

To answer one of your questions: Nope, doesn't bother me to cut up old, well worn garments. Hubby wears the Cotton/Jersey kind, they make wonderful cloths for wiping really sore, runny noses.

Why are we to remove the symbols: Don't have an answer for that one. Perhaps you could call your nearest Temple and ask them.
 

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 12:18:12 am »
I was taught that the symbols designate the garment (as in, general item of clothing) as a Garment (as in, sacred apparel worn as part of our covenants).  Cutting out and destroying the symbols de-sanctifies the Garment and returns it to its prior status as common fabric.  We then further deconstruct the remaining garment to make it unrecognizable and help to protect the sacredness of the Garment.
 
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2017, 02:55:15 pm »
But when are garments sanctified?   And why would they have to be sanctified?  Isn't that for people?  We don't sanctify the books we use, or the tableclothes used for the sacrament, or the ceremonial cloths (nor are we told to dispose of them in some special way.

I don't know why garments special instructions started.  But nowadays when even the church posts everything but the symbols, and all the symbols are posted by church outsiders, it seems like perpetuating the myth that you won't die or be burned or get stabbed because you are somehow supernaturally protected by garments.  (NOTE:  I am not saying that people haven't been protected by garments.  But it isn't because of something magical about the garments themselves.)
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Re: Garments
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2017, 09:26:59 pm »
From the CHI: To dispose of worn out temple garments, members should cut out and destroy the marks. Members then cut up the remaining fabric so it cannot be identified as a garment. Once the marks are removed, the fabric is not considered sacred.

My practice: I cut out the marks and put them through the paper shredder. Then I cut the garments into relatively square pieces to use for cleaning cloths.

My understanding of the rationale: The marks are symbols associated with temple covenants, and we treat them with the same care as other symbols associated with temple covenants.
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2017, 03:12:10 am »
I am sorta odd about using garments as rags. I cut out and burn the marks in my sink. Then I shred the reast and am planning to use the shreds as stuffing for baby toys.  I used to shred and burn but decided that wastes pefectly good stuff to repurpose. Its mostly the elastic and trim that wear out for me or in the last years, I went down a bunch of sizes. so the fabric is still in pretty good condition.
 
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Re: Garments
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2017, 11:32:26 am »
I like that idea Jana :)
 

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Re: Garments
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2017, 06:56:12 pm »
I do what Roper does, using matches instead of the paper shredder, but to the same end. My thinking is that we destroy the markings for the same reason Americans dispose of a worn-out flag by ceremonial burning (donít know what is done in other countries). Itís to be respectful of the symbol & what it represents by not just dumping it whole into the trash; & to keep anyone who doesn't grasp the significance from seeing it in the trash & consider it just another piece of trash (or keep anyone who doesn't even see it from treating it as just another piece of trash).

What remains with the symbols gone is just worn-out fabric, which I cut up to use for cleaning. I wear 100% cotton, & old, worn cotton is perfect for dusting or polishing.

I like Janaís idea of making the scraps into stuffing material. I would do that, except that I currently have more than a half full bag of polyester fiber stuffing because I bought it for a project & had a pile of it left, & I havenít been inspired to do another project.

Do we dump worn-out scriptures or reams of old Ensign paper magazines or stacks of those once high-tech cassette tape recordings of 1987 General Conference in the recycling bin? Yeah, we do. We do that in California anyway, where recycling is a big thing - at least they don't go into the garbage & just get hauled to the dump to rot for the next 10,000 years like in places where people think natural resources are infinite & there's no recycling.

Tossing scriptures also seems disrespectful, since they are the word of God, so I donít know why there isnít some guidance about how to dispose of those. We can explain it by saying, ďWell, itís only paper with ink on it; itís the ideas and knowledge on it that we make part of our lives that really count.Ē But the same could be said of the garment marks. Itís a paradox, isnít it?
 

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2018, 05:22:18 pm »
Was talking with my RS President today in our RS Sewing circle about garments. I was telling her how much I loved my DriSilque, She said that she and Hubby just bought new ones and they came with a card that said they would only hold up to 20 washes.

I just went online and there is nothing about laundering.

So, Nauvoodle Peeps, have any of you purchased some recently, and if Yes, did they come with a card that said how many washings they will hold up to?
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2018, 11:09:27 pm »
I did read it somewhere, perhaps a church sent email or lds living or something. But it was more than 20 washes, I remember thinking it's about a few years and then trying to count how many years I've had my current ones... 20 washes would be like half a year at most, no matter how you count it...
 

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Re: Garments
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2018, 11:31:48 pm »
I used to have 100% cotton ones that lasted about a half dozen washes...

I haven't bought garments recently, so this is new to me, but wow that would be horrible if true.
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Re: Garments
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2018, 12:08:55 am »
I used to wear 100% cotton, because I liked the way they feel, especially after a couple of washes.  But in the TX heat, they soaked up perspiration and, once wet, the top was hard to get off.  Then they lost their shape and the neck stretched out fairly quickly.  Plus, they didn't last very long. Maybe six months.

Then I went with the 50/50 cotton/poly blend.  Hotter but lasted longer.

Then, I tried Dri Lux jersey. It's a thin fabric, almost like super fine mesh.  I thought I wouldn't like the feel, because it's 85 poly / 15 cotton.  After a couple of washes, it feels like thin cotton. It breathes well and doesn't retain moisture. It's durable.  I've had eight pairs for almost a year, now. I wash them every week, so that's about 50 washes.  I use bleach about once a month to keep them white. So far, so good. I'll probably keep them for another year, at this rate.
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2018, 12:30:55 am »
I just bought the new style stretch garments. I was told that now the markings are stamped on and the markings will last for about 50 washings. They are supposed to be cold water washed. If washed in hot water, the markings probably won't last as long.
 
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2018, 12:33:44 am »
I just bought the new style stretch garments. I was told that now the markings are stamped on and the markings will last for about 50 washings. They are supposed to be cold water washed. If washed in hot water, the markings probably won't last as long.

THAT makes much more sense! Thanks Palmon.
 
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Re: Garments
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2018, 08:53:31 am »
Just a word on a related subject. I just gifted my friend with a new robe. Be aware that somewhere online (most probably) or on a package it warns that one kind of robe fabric is not for heavy use.

My immediate question: then why use it?

But I have been unhappy with the decision makers ever since someone decided that the one piece wide leg garment was going on the delete pile.  I really really am careful with the 6 I have and hope I can get them to last quite a while.

I also have invested in wide white elastic lace because that is what is too lose, or too grey or too worn.  I will replace it myself. Not making any changes to the garment, just mending and making do.....

Roper, I just might try mesh for tropics weight....thanks for you input.

Another think I often think: if these are treasured articles we are blessed to wear 24/7, then why arent they sized for and designed for the people who really want to wear them 24/7.....at least they got rid of some seams that chafed.....  sigh.
 

 

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