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AndrewR

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #60 on: April 10, 2018, 05:19:37 am »
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Any high priest that was ever ordained an elder is still an elder. 

That is true. However, what about those that weren't? I know a very small few who were ordained High Priests along with receipt of the Melchizedek priesthood.

Besides, I wasn't saying it was wrong to do it. I was saying it was a departure from scriptural understanding that prompted the same Apostles to instruct stakes to NOT call HP's as EQP's.

I think the change makes sense. I am not convinced for the need for the Stake High Priest Quroum however.

I would also like to see clarification about the rest of the EQP's role and responsibilities. Nothing about whether he gets Temple and Family History consultants to still oversee, or if this devolves to the Bishopric.

Self-reliance will also be high on his agenda. The entire Melchizedek Priesthood section of Book 2 needs replacing, and soon.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #61 on: April 10, 2018, 02:19:30 pm »
I'm going to give this exactly one more try.

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Besides, I wasn't saying it was wrong to do it. I was saying it was a departure from scriptural understanding that prompted the same Apostles to instruct stakes to NOT call HP's as EQP's.

It wasn't your saying it was wrong that I was disagreeing with.  It was your saying it is a departure from scriptural understanding that I was disagreeing with.

When the stakes were instructed not to call HP's as EQP's, those HP's were not members of the Elders Quorum.  Hence, if a president was to be chosen from their midst, they could not call a HP.  Now, the HP's ARE members of the Elders Quorum.  Therefore, in calling a president from the membership of the Elders Quorum, there is no contradiction.

Here's the distinction.  A president should be called from the membership of the quorum.  That has not changed.  They still do that.
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #62 on: April 10, 2018, 09:59:37 pm »
It is the Elders Quorum who do the most in my Branch. The HP Leader has yet to show up to any of the Branch Councils - he has yet to *Instruct* a class when it is his turn, instead he corners my husband as he comes out of the bathroom after sacrament, hands him 5 copies of the magazine article, then ducks out the door.

Hubby is hoping they will call the one and only HP who will actually do something progressive with this calling, then hope he calls some of the Elder Quorum who have proven that they magnify their calling.

He is also hoping they will release him as Sunday School President. He is tired.

I am hoping that come our Branch Conference (two weeks away) they will be releasing the Branch Presidency and calling new.
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #63 on: April 11, 2018, 11:58:30 am »
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Here's the distinction.  A president should be called from the membership of the quorum.

That's is correct.

That isn't the change. What defines a quorum is what the change is.

We have no Teachers quorum, because we have no young men in that office (or age). So why not have three of the High Priest be the Teachers quorum? They can take care of preparing the sacrament each week. Although it's nearly 23 years since I was released as an Elders Quorum president, is a whole lot more (38) since I was released as Teachers Quorum president. I wouldn't mind having that calling again.

Again. I am not saying the changes are wrong. I am saying they have changed what was previously read from the scriptures. And the Brethren have not said, we studied it and found we were in error. They have announced a change of what constitutes an Elders Quorum. Just as the re-defined what marriage could be in with OD 1.

I am fine with it, and I think it will strengthen the work of the Priesthood in the units.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #64 on: April 11, 2018, 02:12:56 pm »
Joseph Smith felt free to add, subtract, and revise from the administrative sections of the D&C revelations regularly. The current forms are not the original forms. He viewed it, and all revelation, much like we view the CHI today. No different, actually. Key difference was how strongly the 'Thus Sayeth The Lord' was made rhetorically and textually explicit. The Standard to follow until more is learned, and it's revised. An open canon to Joseph didn't mean just the ability or authority to add, but also the mandate to be willing to revise with new understanding. Joseph did both.

I think the public sustaining is important when there's a massive cultural and practical shift beyond reorganizing meeting groups. OD 1 and 2 were MASSIVE cultural shifts in belief and practice that required members to be on board. Massive shifts that have a heightened potential to cause Schism are excellent opportunities to sustain an action.
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #65 on: April 11, 2018, 03:18:25 pm »
The EQ and HP quorum presidencies were disolved on Sunday. Then that night the EQ president (who was the same man who had been EP president before) called and asked to come by our house and when he did he called my husband (a HP) as secretary to the EQ presidency. So the changes in our ward will occur next Sunday. Interestingly, the 1st and 2nd counselors are also HP, so the only member of the presidency who is an Elder is the president.
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #66 on: April 11, 2018, 08:31:36 pm »
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Massive shifts that have a heightened potential to cause Schism are excellent opportunities to sustain an action.

I think you may be surprised that be some this is a "massive shift". They may not think so now - but it has the potential.

I grew up expecting my black friends in Primary to hold the priesthood one day. And I was so happy when it happened sooner than I expected. I never expected the opportunity to serve as an EQP again - especially since the Brethren specifically forbade it.

This is more of a shift than some may think.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #67 on: April 11, 2018, 08:54:06 pm »
I acknowledge it has significant eventual implications. But to suggest it would have a comparable strong immediate and long-term cultural impact with implications on belief and practice and the personal lives of members as the two events under discussion is ...  a little baffling to me.
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2018, 09:49:20 pm »
As the motorcycle industry would say of advancements such as ride-by-wire throttle control and anti-lock brakes, this is evolutionary, not revolutionary.
 
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