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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #256 on: November 22, 2019, 06:35:19 pm »
We were told to expect something totally different & unique, & the tidbits are starting to come out to keep us anticipating  8)

My first prediction for April 2020 is that the apostles, presiding bishopric, general organization presidencies, & any seventies or other leaders who will speak to us will convene in Palmyra. They will alternate speaking from the Hill Cumorah, the Smith Farm, and the Whitmer Farm. They will not use the Sacred Grove, to maintain reverence for it, but may have some sort of program there (appropriate music by the Tabbies?) They will broadcast all the sessions from Palmyra, with Church members gathering at stake centers.

Stakes in time zones many hours away from U.S. Eastern time will be encouraged but not required to broadcast it live, in case their people want to experience it in the moment, with rebroadcast fitting their own time zones as well.
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #257 on: November 23, 2019, 09:09:35 am »
This sounds like the perfect opportunity to announce the extension of priesthood ordination to women.  RS and EQ have organizational parity.  The old YW class names have been discontinued, with a temporary structure in place.  Equality between the youth programs.  200 years is an important marker.  Combined meeting....   Maybe... Just maybe...
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #258 on: November 23, 2019, 11:12:43 am »
Going to repost something I speculated on from before. I don't expect it, but seeing the meeting presented that way is fun in light of it:

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Funny thing though is that the YW just stepped away from having it be directly analogous to the AP in their structure. They moved away from the 3-orders-by-age grouping.

But... consider this.

In Ye Olde Days,  the office of Priest was what someone was ordained to when they were ordained to "The Aaronic Priesthood", and deacons and teachers just being church offices/"callings"/appendages under its direction. Kind of the relationship of 'ordinance workers' being appendages to 'Temple Presidents', who perform ordinances and their duties under the authorization and direction of those keys. So, Conferring the Aaronic Priesthood, and then being ordained to the office of Priest would have been redundant.

With the Bishop being the appointed President of the Priests, later on, he had the authority to delegate those responsibilities and set apart to those offices.

Now - consider this chain of events:

What if the Temple Experience would supplement or complement what we consider to be the 'Conferring' of the Priesthood Authority?

Think of this - it is announced that upon the age of 12, the Temple endowment is made available for youth. But now, there are two versions - an Aaronic Priesthood portion, in addition to the full Melchizedek Priesthood version.

Brigham Young stated in the past he contemplated doling the endowment out in two portions, an AP version, send youth out to show themselves faithful to what they were given, and then later in life come back for the full MP version. Never ended up doing it. But think of it in terms of the latest rhetoric:

Consider the changing/consolidating of the Clothing portion in the most recent changes to the presentation. What if there was a youth version for young men and young women in which they were clothed in one variety, and told what they were then prepared/authorized to officiate in?

And then that pronouncement was given a practical, outside of the Temple application?

At this stage, I would still see males being given specific offices with specific keys. (Deacons, Teachers, Priests, Elders, High Priests), but young women being prepared to officiate in the ordinances of the Aaronic Priesthood, under the direction of keyholding Presidents of those quorums.

Adult women who are prepared to officiate in the ordinances of the Melchizedek Priesthood would be authorized to participate in blessings, free-range just like Elders are now, but also confirmations under the direction of the presiding High Priest in the ward.

The structure is there. The precedence and model (Temple Presidents authorizing endowed women to perform Priesthood Ordinances) is there.

Church teaching and structure (along with the divine go-ahead) is all that is needed for outward application, as is wider availability of temples. And President Nelson has gone so far as stating that smaller, less expensive versions would be forthcoming, that they would "scale down the temples to fit the needs wherever we go'." -  Some had suggested that portions of some Stake Centers could even be set apart and arranged for the purpose, much like Stake Centers that are used for Temple Dedications are temporarily treated like a Temple. Sort of reminiscent of the Utah Endowment House, set apart just for work for the living, for those who cannot access a fully functional temple set apart for work for the dead as well.

They could do this and truthfully declare that the Doctrine had not changed. This would NOT mean, at this stage in the game, that women would be Deacons, Priests, Teachers, or Elders, but would be acting in the authority of one, and would not have presiding keys.

Anyway, just a thought looking at everything as it's unfolding, and looking at a bigger picture.

I don't think it's practical that this will be put into practice by April, but who knows with President Nelson's pace.
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #260 on: January 08, 2020, 03:51:01 pm »
That is so awesome!
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #261 on: January 08, 2020, 05:32:27 pm »
I loved the Be One celebration (is that what it was called?) so much! That’s going to be great!
 

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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #262 on: January 08, 2020, 06:53:27 pm »
Yesss!
Jump off the cliff and build your wings on the way down.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #263 on: February 27, 2020, 03:56:23 pm »
Wow - all Leadership Meetings directly prior to the April conference have been canceled/postponed due to Coronavirus, and those who live outside the US are discouraged from leaving their countries to come attend.

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This postponement applies only to pre-conference leadership meetings. Present plans call for the general sessions of the April 2020 conference to be held as previously announced.

“We are grateful that all members who do not travel to Salt Lake City will be able to view the proceedings of April general conference through technology,” the First Presidency stated. “With great compassion, we pray for all whose lives have been affected by this illness.”
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #264 on: February 27, 2020, 06:14:09 pm »
Well, the profit did tell us that this conference would be one like no other.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #265 on: February 27, 2020, 07:56:50 pm »
The Utah House of Representatives just passed legislation making polygamy among consenting adults an infraction, similar to a traffic ticket. It used to be a felony. It's expected to be passed by the Senate and signed into law by Gov. Herbert.

So...  ;)
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #266 on: February 27, 2020, 08:14:22 pm »
The Utah House of Representatives just passed legislation making polygamy among consenting adults an infraction, similar to a traffic ticket. It used to be a felony. It's expected to be passed by the Senate and signed into law by Gov. Herbert.

So...  ;)

The whole polygamy argument has become moot. Over the last six decades American society has progressed through to making it perfectly legal for anyone to cohabitate with anyone (or with several people), every gender preference is valid, and is getting close to anyone being able to legally marry anyone else. Logically (not morally) it is ridiculous to say that no one can marry more than one person at a time. Marriage itself has been reduce to legal contract and nothing more.
If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #267 on: February 28, 2020, 12:21:35 am »
Well, the profit did tell us that this conference would be one like no other.

Hee hee, CrowGirl (Freudian slip).  :)
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #268 on: February 28, 2020, 12:33:12 am »
The whole polygamy argument has become moot. Over the last six decades American society has progressed through to making it perfectly legal for anyone to cohabitate with anyone (or with several people), every gender preference is valid, and is getting close to anyone being able to legally marry anyone else. Logically (not morally) it is ridiculous to say that no one can marry more than one person at a time. Marriage itself has been reduce to legal contract and nothing more.
Indeed. The minute society began to accept the redefinition of marriage to include anything other than a man & a woman, there ceased to be a definition of marriage.

This is the slippery slope that so many religious, sociological, ethical, & other authorities of various persuasions warned against when same-sex relationships first began to be widely discussed. There isn't any going back now. Maybe all we can hope for is that society will not abandon its duty to protect those who do not have agency & the ability to consent. I never want to see the day when we don't protect children, mentally challenged people of all ages, institutionalized people, livestock, or pets from someone's insane definition of "marriage." 
 
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Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« Reply #269 on: February 28, 2020, 12:58:20 am »
I actually came here to post about the excusing of Church leaders outside the U.S. from attending General Conference, & saw that Taalcon had posted it. I had wondered how that was going to work out, with so many limitations on travel & so many Church leaders serving on every continent. If some of them had been assigned to speak, I wonder if they'll do it remotely or pre-recorded.

I'd also wondered about the audiences of thousands of people who will gather on the Saturday & Sunday in person. If the Lord wants all those folks to be there, He will see to their health & well-being.

OTOH, I can understand people being uneasy about going anywhere & sitting with 20,000 strangers (even if they are gospel brothers & sisters) for a couple of hours. Here is what's happening to some places that depend heavily on visitors for their economic health.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/world/article/Italy-towns-on-effective-lockdown-after-virus-15075986.php

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/27/chinatown-san-francisco-coronavirus-fears-empty-district

People are really antsy & we have Bay Area businesses that are worried about surviving this. And it isn't only Milan or Chinatown - look at the stock market. The Saudi government is even restricting foreign visitors for the hajj which isn't until July, & I guess everyone is on "pins & needles" to see if the Tokyo Olympics will go on. There have been charges that Japan was covering up its virus stats to try to discourage consideration of cancelling the Olympics.

Off topic now, so I'll volley it back. I admit I'm curious to see what actual physical effect this health crisis might have on Salt Lake City's largest annual gathering of people in one place.
 
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