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Cancel Culture
« on: February 19, 2021, 08:29:34 am »
This BBC article on their News website is something I find fascinating.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55959135

Quite apart from the actual subject at hand, it immediately brought to mind the phrase "There is none who dares to molest or to make afraid."

I have often wondered at this, and what was meant by it. Maybe this helps me a bit. A world where people are afraid to speak their minds because they will be accused of something they didn't intend.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2021, 01:52:00 pm »
I think part of the problem, which the article alludes to, is that "cancel culture" has been defined and weaponized into a political attack in response to getting caught.

When citizens hold elected officials accountable for their words and actions--that's democracy, not cancel culture.
When consumers refuse to support a business for being predatory or an entertainer for being racist, misogynist, etc.--that's capitalism, not cancel culture.
When people unite to make public the intentional harms that a person has done to others--that's community, not cancel culture.

When someone has been harmful and destructive, and then starts complaining about getting called out, blaming it on cancel culture--that's just childish whining and a pathetic attempt at victimhood.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2021, 03:22:41 pm »
I remember 15-20 years ago reading an advice column someone wrote to their pastor about if they should hire a Contractor who was Mormon to do some work on his house. He said that the Contractor was honest, did great work at a fair price, and had no moral issues that he knew of, except that he was Mormon. He was worried that by paying a Mormon he was committing a sin, and even worse if that Mormon paid tithing, then he would be indirectly supporting the Mormon church. It has been a long time, but I believe the pastor said that if he was that worried about it, he probably shouldn't hire the Mormon.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2021, 05:10:09 pm »
That's definitely an example of prejudice. When people are honest, do great work, and are morally upstanding, like in the example above, we should support them in our communities, even if their religious or political convictions are different.  When people continually lie, work to hurt or defame or belittle others, and engage in unethical behavior, we have NO obligation as citizens to support them or to enable their continued destructive behavior. We can't (or shouldn't) rely on the police to react to every little violation. However, we can (and should) set the expectation of civil behavior in our communities.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2021, 07:45:03 pm »
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It has been a long time, but I believe the pastor said that if he was that worried about it, he probably shouldn't hire the Mormon.

That IS cancel culture.   

So is campaigning others to prevent those who believe/think differently than you do from having access to public forums to say it.   No problem with picketing their speech, and complete problem with impeding their access to the speech.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2021, 12:02:44 am »
So is campaigning others to prevent those who believe/think differently than you do from having access to public forums to say it. 


Public forum: Agree. Privately owned business: That's a different consideration.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2021, 12:12:45 am »
Precisely. Trump is free to rant and rave on a soapbox on any Floridian street corner, but the government may not compel Twitter to take his business,
 
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2021, 11:54:23 am »
THIS is cancel culture. The point is to hurt anything Trump but in reality hurts the people who live in the city.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-freeze-out-de-blasio-puts-former-presidents-nyc-rink-contracts-on-ice
 

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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2021, 04:06:33 pm »
Or, with as much as Donald Trump hates the people of NYC and they despise him in return, this will probably good for business, at least in the long term.

An analogy: Let's say I contract with Dixie Janitorial Services to clean my school on weekends. They do an acceptable job. They show up in vans with the Confederate Flag painted on the side. They're only at the school on Saturdays, when no students or parents are present. But then, I start getting complaints that a public school is paying a company which uses racist symbols. I would have zero hesitation to cancel their contract, even if it meant a dirty school for a couple of weeks until I found somebody else. I can't lose enrollment because of a third-party contractor. That's good business, not cancel culture.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2021, 04:25:30 pm »
Most conservatives are free market champions, as long as they're making money in the market. When the market reacts to their abuses, then suddenly they're complaining about "cancel culture." My response is, "Shut up. This is your system. You want something different? Go talk to Bernie."
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2021, 06:59:40 pm »
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I would have zero hesitation to cancel their contract, even if it meant

But the thing is, if you'd put in their contract that they were prohibited from displaying controversial symbols on their persons or equipment, and from using sexist/racist/_____________  etc., they would presumably not have done that.   And if you didn't have that as part of your contracts, but simply told them they couldn't bring the inappropriate stuff and they'd have to publish apologies for having don't that in the first place, you wouldn't have to fire them.   Then you could talk to your students about personal responsibility that comes with free speech and decisions about where and when, and consequences of exercising free speech, and the reasons why shutting down contrary views isn't healthy or helpful in working through differences or even being a light for seriously misguided or wicked people using those rights.
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2021, 03:11:24 pm »
I feel the examples cited in the article are more about the need to have someone sort
of accountability more than the cancer culture. The rep in Virginia is doing damage by her words, and she hopes to be governor.  Makes me ill as I live in the state.
  They are currently changing the new of streets, high schools etc in our area as so many are named after former racist leaders.
A current one is Lord Fairfax who has a county, college,  streets etc that bear his name. One of the community College will change units name..but for some of thr streets, it may be hard to navigate at some point of every street name is changed.
 
 
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2021, 12:56:18 pm »
Most conservatives are free market champions, as long as they're making money in the market. When the market reacts to their abuses, then suddenly they're complaining about "cancel culture." My response is, "Shut up. This is your system. You want something different? Go talk to Bernie."

Conservative free market champion here.   If it's ok with you, I'll continue to champion the free market as best-choice-out-there, and I'll continue to voice gripes and complaints in the public square. 

I'll also point out liberal hypocrisy and inconsistencies when I see them.  Recent example: Disney fired Gina Carano for drawing an analogy between the current political climate in the US with Nazi Germany, but was silent when Pedro Pascal did the same thing, just in the opposite direction.
What-about-ism is pointless. I like to think most people's responses to such arguments would be, "Yup. That person, who happened to wear the same political jersey I do/did, was totally wrong on that, too."
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2021, 01:11:18 pm »
Cool NT. I'll stand next to you in the public square and declare along with you that the free market is the best choice out there. I'll also be advocating for improvements to the market to better enable opportunities for those in poverty and to curb the rapacious use of public resources for the private enrichment of those who have the power to take. I probably won't point out liberal hypocrisy, because there is just as much conservative hypocrisy, and well...what's the point? It detracts from working together to solve real problems. And when we're done standing together, let's go sit down together and worship the same God.  :)
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Re: Cancel Culture
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2021, 02:40:46 pm »
In terms economic and social structure, a blend of individualistic capitalism and communitarian socialism seems to work the best. Unregulated capitalism will always result in an unsustainable concentration of wealth in a few at the expense of the most vulnerable. Excessive government control tends to have the exact same result. The tension between a democratically elected government and private industry is absolutely essential to ensure a well balanced economic system that is truly fair for all.
 
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