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Voting from home?
« on: May 22, 2020, 11:47:55 pm »
In today's mail, I got a notice from the Utah County Elections Division: "Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Utah County Elections has changed how we administer in-person voting. We are fully prepared to protect your right to vote while maintaining the health of our community. In order to accomplish this, all voters will VOTE FROM HOME. You can mail in your ballot or drop it in a curbside dropbox. There will be no in-person voting.  Stay safe. Vote from home. Vote by mail."
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 

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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2020, 12:03:18 am »
Oregon has been doing this for at least a decade. Husband and I love it. As far as I know there has been zero voter fraud in Oregon.
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2020, 02:15:47 am »
I vote by mail every federal election.  Have done for 30vyears. I vote in Wisconsin and so do my children. Other than  having to send my vote well before election day and the mild hassle of sending in the request to Wisconsin, having to find two citizens to co sign is solved  by one missionary pair....  overseas  voters do this all the time.
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2020, 09:51:18 am »
There are 27 states that allow just anyone who wants to to pick up ballots for people, deliver them to them, and pick them up and return them.  (This practice was specifically named by the voting commission that occurred after the shads problem/vote in FL national election as the source of fraud.)  I'm aware of candidates who arrange for all the people at assisted living centers to get at home ballots, have someone who "helps" those people do their ballots, and collects them for delivery, and because the community is small, also wins on those ballots, which do not tend to reflect the in person voting.  So it is a real issue.

The solution though is to do what the other 23 states have done and prohibit candidates or their proxies from touching or being involving in getting/completing and/or returning any mail ballot (and this usually requires also that the voters do not HAVE to put a stamp on their ballot for the elections people to accept the returned ballot and count them (because other wise the "helper" would simply not stamp the ballots they didn't want counted, even if they weren't brazen enough to not turn in ballots for the wrong person: info cleaned from the "helping" process).

I have voted by mail for almost 20 years.  And our state is one of the 23.   But I am aware of the kind of questionable ballot distribution/collection that is described above that may be fraud in local elections in small towns surrounding mine, even as recently as this last year.  Typically the candidates who suspect this don't have the wherewithall to know how to address it.
Nauvoo 1270, Feb 2005
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2020, 01:03:09 pm »
I think ANY time that 'do-gooders' (in this case, aka partisans) try to get 'underserved' populations to vote, by distributing ballots, picking up ballots, etc., you are looking at a perfect situation for fraud. Why? Because those populations are usually indifferent to the elections, and/or not mentally capable of the simple process of getting an absentee ballot. It's not about accessibility--every address in the U.S. has access to the postal system, every state has absentee ballots through mail, and every person has the capability to have a phone even if they can't afford it themselves. EVERY person. If they don't take advantage of those things, it's generally out of apathy or a lack of mental competence. And I can tell you from years of experience that it's not only incredibly easy, but highly likely for the 'do-gooders' to highly influence those voters, whether intentionally or not.
I am extremely reluctant to go so far as to suggest that there should be a mental capacity requirement to vote. But I have worked with these populations long enough to say strongly that those votes are not intelligent, well-informed, or well thought-out. At all. I'm not talking about people who are 'a little dim.' I'm talking about people who are certified disabled due to diminished mental capacity (which may be late-onset through dementia or TBI), who can't even take care of themselves (talking mentally, not necessarily physically though that may be an additional blocking to regular voting), let alone make good civic-duty decisions.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2020, 08:13:33 pm by dyany »
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2020, 06:58:41 pm »
Everyone who believes in government by the people should be ashamed of what happened in the Wisconsin primary,. The governor (Party X) wanted to extend mail voting to everyone but certain political factions (Party Y) appealed it & got the state Supreme Court (dominated by Party Y partisans) to void the governor's request. This was when the virus was peaking & it was still winter. Due to fear of infection, there was a shortage of volunteer poll workers, & Milwaukee, a city of 600,000 people, ended up with only five precincts open to voters. People waited in long lines for hours in the cold & rain.

I didn't see data on how many people got sick & died from that experience, but that is beside the point. The point is that those politicians & the court created an obstacle, a hardship, & possibly a serious risk for people who wanted to exercise their constitutional right.

Politicians don't count the votes or handle the ballots. That's what the registrar of voters is for. They are civil service employees & not political appointees; they manage elections, print & distribute official voters' handbooks, figure out where the have polling places, solicit public-spirited residents to work in them, & collect & tabulate the ballots once the polls close. At least in California, they handle millions of mail ballots every election. I'm not aware of any dreadful election fraud scandals with those ballots.

We do need to guard against election fraud, but I'd be curious to know how much of it happens in voting by mail. Or if fraud is a red herring because certain people simply do not want every single American who is entitled to vote to actually do so. If that's the case, & certain people are truly set on limiting citizens' constitutional rights, then Medgar Evers, Viola Liuzzo, Andrew Goodman, James Chaney, & Michael Schwerner may have died in vain & would be rolling over in their graves today.
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2020, 07:18:34 pm »
I don't know everything about the Wisconsin primary.   But when it happened, I read the explanations from the liberal press and conservative press and read the actual order and pleadings.   What democrats wanted was to have people be able to request and submit absentee ballots after the in person balloting was closes (and thus after people might be able to know, whether or not it was released) how many new ballots they needed to win, giving them time to round them up and send them in.   That would not be a fair election by any stretch of the imagination.  I get how the court didn't think there was anything to do but to refuse to allow that.
Nauvoo 1270, Feb 2005
 
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Re: Voting from home?
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2020, 08:07:31 pm »
I have loved voting by mail here.
Time for a change.  I am yungmom, but have wanted a new username for some time.
 
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