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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #90 on: May 06, 2020, 07:20:56 pm »
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As for the funding issues...

I didn't say anything about funding. I said he gutted the departments responsible for response. I didn't mean financially. He fired or pushed out much of the departments, including eliminating positions. That's not Congress. That's him.

But your own link said that it isn't at all clear that he gutted pandemic people, and he was elected to downsize government.   Most states did the same thing over the last 20 years, closing government labs thinking private sector would take care of what they used to do, downsizing publiic health departments relying on technology for contact tracing, and the like.   You can blame the current president, but it was mostly all about not thinking this was needed so much anymore (likely egged on by how the world managed H1N1 flu, and SARS).
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« Reply #91 on: May 06, 2020, 07:55:02 pm »

Jason, have you shared your thoughts about the video by those 2 doctors with the clinic as well as the video with Judy Mikowitz.
Not sure if you have already said or if these are being discussed elsewhere.
 
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« Reply #92 on: May 06, 2020, 07:59:21 pm »

This article says the fish tank death is only being investigated as homicide as a protocol.
So hard to know who to believe. I do feel Trump only said he was sarcastic due to people being upset with what he had said.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8270725/Homicide-detectives-investigating-death-Arizona-man-drank-fish-tank-cleaner.html
 
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« Reply #93 on: May 06, 2020, 09:49:12 pm »
Trump's response to the disinfectant was typical Trump, which is never admit he made a mistake. This drives many people crazy, including those on the right.

I posted a few times on Facebook my thoughts on those 2 California urgent care owners in California who wanted to more quickly open up the economy. They could have used a peer review of their data before holding a press conference, as they completely misinterpreted their data. Their claim to fame was that they had some of their own data. Statistical analysis is not my area of expertise, but even I could immediately spot a flaw in their presentation. They took the percentage of positive tests and extrapolated that across the state. They neglected to take into account that their tests were not general population surveys, but rather were limited to people with fevers, upper respiratory symptoms, and in high risk professions or admitted to the hospital for difficulty breathing. Their tests cold only be extrapolated to that population, not across the entire state.

A reporter pointed this out at about minute 8 of the video, but they seemed to gloss over it or didn't realize what was being said. The reporter was actually being helpful, but I think could have pressed with a couple more follow-up questions. While I would like the economy to open much quicker than my governor is doing (leading from way behind), those 2 physicians should not be the spokespeople.

I have not seen Judy Mikovitz, though I expect I will come across it soon.
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #94 on: May 06, 2020, 11:24:12 pm »
Maybe Nauvoo is sending Facebook information about what I am reading here, but my conspiracy theory loving people are now going wild with Dr. Mikovitz. She believes that wearing a mask reactivates endogenous viruses, because we rebreathe toxic CO2, and that this then causes the COVID-19 syndrome, not the Coronavirus. The endogenous virus might be a retrovirus that we all got when we got the 2013 or 2014 flu vaccine.

She was a former virologist who had some sort of a breakthrough finding an infectious cause of chronic fatigue syndrome. But then her papers were retracted because other researchers claimed that she had put those infectious agents there herself, because they found bacterial plasmid DNA in her samples, which are used as vectors to put new DNA/RNA into something else. She denies that. She has her own conspiracy theory about how this all came about.

Also, if you find "a former ER doctor" Rashid Buttar, I wasted 45 minutes of my life watching an interview with him. Among many things he said, he claimed that the sudden lung damage that occurs during COVID-19 is not from the coronavirus, but rather from lung cancer that is caused by 5G networks. The Coronavirus pandemic is all a big hoax and conspiracy perpetrated by Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates in order to make money off of vaccinations and 5G networks.
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2020, 01:21:21 am »
Was the CDC told that its detailed manual for reopening America "would never see the light of day"? Say it ain't so, that the federal government is not censoring medical doctors, microbiologists, public health experts, & other scientists who work for the federal government.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/AP-Exclusive-Admin-shelves-CDC-guide-to-15252647.php
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2020, 09:09:15 pm »
I also posted this on Facebook, but thought I would share here.

Today I tested my carbon dioxide and oxygen levels with no mask, a simple surgical mask, and a fit tested N95 mask. My results might surprise you (click baity, eh?). But first some background as to why I did this.

During the last week I have heard a lot about possible downsides of wearing a mask. This has culminated in many people linking to an interview of 2 individuals who claim that wearing masks is harmful as it will increase the rebreathing of carbon dioxide to a toxic level, which will depress the immune system, reactivate dormant viruses secretly placed via the flu vaccines of 2013/14, which, in combination with the 5G cellular network, will result in massive damage to lungs, which is then falsely attributed to the Corona virus, mostly so that Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci can make money off of vaccinations. Others have rebuffed those conspiracies quite thoroughly and I intend to focus on my results of my own carbon dioxide levels. (I wish I was making up that conspiracy, but that is the story I found when going down their deep rabbit hole).

As an anesthesiologist, 2 of my main monitors during surgery are capnometry and capnography, which are the measurement and graphing of the carbon dioxide that is inhaled and exhaled. Anesthesiologists spend thousands of hours staring at the capnogram and making small ventilator adjustments. We use a sampling port that draws in about 200 mL of air per minute, which is then sent through an infrared scanner to give us the results of what is in that sampled air. This instrument also gives us the inhaled and expired oxygen levels. As a refresher, the oxygen we breathe in is used to metabolize carbohydrates, proteins, and fats to create energy with waste products of carbon dioxide and water. We breathe out that carbon dioxide. The normal range of CO2 in the blood stream is a pCO2 of 35-45. Our bodies have a tremendous capacity to regulate carbon dioxide, through buffering, respiration, and finally the kidneys.

I tested over a period of 30-45 minutes, going back and forth between masks and no mask, and allowing time to reach an equilibrium. While there was no significant difference in my exhaled CO2 between tests, there was a difference in my inhaled CO2. With no mask, I was rebreathing a pCO2 equivalent of 1. With the simple surgical mask, 2-3, and with the fit tested N95, 1-2. My inspired oxygen was always 21% (which is normal atmospheric levels), and my expired oxygen levels were 14%-16%, which is what I would expect from a normal metabolism. My SpO2 levels remained constant at 97%-98% the entire time.

So my little experiment showed that there is rebreathing of some carbon dioxide when wearing a mask. But is that amount that is rebreathed significant or harmful? No, it isn't. I will give you an example of why not. I noticed over the course of my 30-45 minutes of testing that my exhaled CO2 went up 5-6 points consistently. This was both with and without masks. I also noticed that my respiratory rate went up from 13 to 18 breaths per minute. What does that mean? It was an hour after I had eaten lunch, and my body was now metabolizing that delicious broccoli, cauliflower, and olive oil I had eaten (The one true diet!). There was now increased CO2 in my body, so my body naturally increased the respiratory rate to get rid of it. If a 5-6 point difference on exhaled CO2 is standard after every light meal, then a 1-2 point difference on inhaled CO2 when wearing a mask is well within our bodies’ compensatory limits.

Bottom line result of my trial: wearing any of these masks will not increase the rebreathed CO2 anywhere close to a level that will be harmful.
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #97 on: May 08, 2020, 12:49:33 pm »
I got a little dizzy during one procedure wearing an N-95 mask yesterday. It was during a particularly stressful couple of minutes, though. The rest of the day I was fine.
 

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #98 on: May 10, 2020, 01:30:03 am »
CDC recommendations for restarting life got buried.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/AP-Exclusive-Top-White-House-officials-buried-15257892.php

So did a company’s offer to prioritize making masks if the feds wanted a contract.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/in-the-early-days-of-the-pandemic-the-us-government-turned-down-an-offer-to-manufacture-millions-of-n95-masks-in-america/2020/05/09/f76a821e-908a-11ea-a9c0-73b93422d691_story.html 

Who is getting battered the worst, other than health providers (bless them)? Ethnic minorities & working-class women who can’t tele-work, lots of folks of the kind who work at places like Mar-a-Lago. I hate to have to even think about it, but what difference would it make if the virus were hitting hardest at certain other demographic groups?

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/09/853073274/women-bear-the-brunt-of-coronavirus-job-losses   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/navajo-nation-coronavirus

https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race

And it isn’t only people in high places that are behaving badly, but “regular” people too. Although I’d have to reconsider how regular some of them are. Klan & Nazi face masks, what the #*!! is wrong with some "Americans"? Not to mention the few (but still too many) cases where someone was hurt or killed over a request to wear a mask, like the security guard at the Detroit dollar store.

White pointy-headed hood.  https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Outrage-over-grocery-shopper-wearing-Klan-hood-in-15245271.php

Swastika.  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8303263/Couple-wear-masks-SWASTIKAS-grocery-shopping-California.html 

The protesters at the Michigan state capitol, some with military type assault rifles that they took into the Capitol building itself & confronted state police, unnerved many legislators. One African-American member was so concerned that she was escorted to the Capitol by a group of African-American civilians exercising their own right to bear arms. I can't say I blame her, considering how politicized this health crisis has become & how much of the rabid “protesting” that goes beyond First Amendment expression is by people connected to racist or rogue "conservative" groups that few real conservatives would want any part of.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/07/michigan-lawmaker-armed-escort-rightwing-protest

And last but not least, THANK YOU President Bush & President/First Lady Obama. You are appreciated more than you may know … or maybe you do know. We miss you.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/08/politics/barack-obama-george-w-bush-coronavirus-leadership/index.html
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #99 on: May 11, 2020, 10:54:04 am »
There's an interesting in the NYT entitled "How Pandemics End." Here is an excerpt:

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According to historians, pandemics typically have two types of endings: the medical, which occurs when the incidence and death rates plummet, and the social, when the epidemic of fear about the disease wanes.

“When people ask, ‘When will this end?,’ they are asking about the social ending,” said Dr. Jeremy Greene, a historian of medicine at Johns Hopkins.

In other words, an end can occur not because a disease has been vanquished but because people grow tired of panic mode and learn to live with a disease. Allan Brandt, a Harvard historian, said something similar was happening with Covid-19: “As we have seen in the debate about opening the economy, many questions about the so-called end are determined not by medical and public health data but by sociopolitical processes.”

You can read the entire article here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/health/coronavirus-plague-pandemic-history.html
All grown-ups were once children...but only few of them remember it. ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, "The Little Prince."
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #100 on: May 11, 2020, 03:34:50 pm »
Now we see why it was so important to enforce the Defense Production Act to get those meat packing plants back up while hundreds of workers were out sick.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-meatpacking-an-idUSKBN22N0IN
 

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #101 on: May 12, 2020, 11:50:33 am »
Mask or no mask?

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/White-House-mandates-masks-but-not-for-Trump-15263048.php

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mike-pence-face-mask-iowa-covid-19_n_5eb88c1ec5b6bb4495e4788d

I guess if you can get tested daily, you don't give a thought to whether any one else is protected, is protecting others, or believes they need to do either. Some people just have to learn everything the hard way. I hope that when they get sick, it isn't too painful.
 

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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2020, 06:22:59 pm »
One mark of a data and science driven response will be to re-examine what is working and what isn't working well and to implement that. As we do not have double blinded state or country tests, we can still find examples of areas that had a good response and those that did not have a good response to compare them.

Florida did pretty well. New York is by far the worst in the country. They might be good comparisons as they are similar in population and size. Florida might have more elderly, but New York has areas that are a more dense. The density of New York City is not as big a factor, because Tokyo is just as dense and did much, much better than New York. I think one of the biggest distinctions was that Florida developed and distributed a plan early in February that included how to protect nursing homes. Nursing homes would not be forced to take back Covid positive patients from the hospital unless they had the means to isolate them. This ran counter to typical hospital practice, which was to get people in and out as fast as possible. This plan went into effect in mid March. New York put its plan of forcing nursing homes to re-accept Covid positive patients on March 25, and did not change that policy until sometime in May. It is estimated that 25% of the deaths in New York were from nursing homes, and probably due to this policy.

Masks? The jury is still out. Most helpful for those that are currently exhibiting respiratory symptoms. Possibly helpful for asymptomatic people, but this is unknown. This seems to have helped Asian countries.

Lockdown? This does not seem to have helped much beyond an initial unknown period. The extended lockdown is likely harmful in the long run, as it is causing many other harms.

Shutting down schools? This did not help. This was done because they were going off of the influenza playbook, in which school children were a common vector to transmit the flu virus to the elderly. But with Corona virus, there are so few children infected, that this was likely a mistake. Other European countries that did not shut down their schools are nevertheless doing better than the United States. As is repeatedly stated, the Coronavirus is not the influenza virus, so modifications should be made.

Social distancing? This does seem to help. But I think it has diminishing returns with the more strict rules.

Sanitizing everything? It now appears that touching a contaminated object is an unlikely way to become infected. The most common ways appear to be direct droplet spread between people in closer proximity.

Vaccinations? We will know when we get them. But all things point to vaccines being very useful.

Ventilators? Not as useful as we were led to believe. Also not needed in as great of numbers.

N95s and CAPRs? Helpful for me, as I intubated a few Covid positive patients and was never infected. N95s are also helpful for me to mow the lawn and not get overwhelmed with pollen.

Shutting down beaches? This does not appear to have been helpful.

Facebook? I have learned that many of my friends are crazies. But I still love them.
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #103 on: May 24, 2020, 07:05:58 pm »
I have been racking my brains trying to figure out where I had heard of the conspiracy theory about Bill Gates using the Corona virus vaccine to implant brain control microchips into everyone, and I came up with it. It is from Star Wars. The inhibitor chips that were in the clones which forced them to follow order 66. In this scenario Bill Gates is Darth Sidious, aka the emperor.
 
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Re: COVID-19
« Reply #104 on: May 30, 2020, 10:37:41 am »
I can't speak for every one, but I am quite enjoying the lock down-quarantine-house arrest-stay at home thing. I really am quite the homebody as is and I usually do not venture out unless I have a real reason to do so. Right now I am working 1 day a week in the tax office and attending "church" services at a neighbor's house. (We have 4 member's homes within a 20 acre radius).
  I wear a mask in public to make every one else feel good about themselves, I shop on line for things I really do not need but are cute  (I actually have all of my birthday and Christmas shopping done for the family!)  If I need groceries I either make a list and have my son go to the store for me or I make a list and send Hick down to the root cellar for me.  I try to get in at least one nap a day, if not two, and I have learned new skills such as flipping an egg in a frying pan like a short order cook does. (Learning to skype  is next) Even though the temple is out of order for me right now, I still get temple blessings by doing genealogy and indexing. I am getting around to all the little things that I have always wanted to organize or try or create but were too busy to do so because I was sapping my energy by trying to impress others. I still keep in touch with the sisters on my ministering list through social media and my cell phone.  I have worked on exercise and knee physical therapy in home by watching YouTube.
  So what have you all been doing?
 
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