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General Discussion / Re: Iggy's Ramblings
« Last post by Iggy on November 16, 2019, 02:38:54 pm »
The south side is done as well as that porch. The cleanup inside is not. Because we were over $2,000.00 over budget I told my contractor I would do the cleaning.

Using Goo Gone to remove the glue from around the two windows and then clean out the faux garden tub of the dirt, leaves and wood debris and putting the curtains back up. I figured I had it. Well, I didn't and don't.

I offered the job to the gal who helped my contractor - but I told her that I would be paying her $15.00 and hour not $25.00. Betwixt you all and me, she is not a $25.00 an hour worker, she actually is a $6.00 an hour worker ~ but I know that she needs the money as she is living out of her car most nights and with a 60 yr old man on other nights.

She turned me down. My housekeeper is too short and has acrophobia just as I do.

2.25 months after the installation of my track lights and two bulbs are dead! For crying out loud! If I can't find BR20,  track light bulbs locally guess I will have to order them through Amazon.

Guess I should iron the bathroom curtains, paint the two shelves that go over the kitchen sink and in front of the window, then mark where I want the new curtains to go over the kitchen window - then ask one of three women at church to help me.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Roper on November 15, 2019, 12:18:53 pm »
So among the multitude following Jesus, there were

- those who verbally acknowledged Jesus as the God of Israel
- those seeking deliverance from political oppression
- those with the conviction to follow Him
- those who claimed to be saved but didn't live his teachings
- those who call on Jesus but only in times of need

I imagine there were also those who were just going along with their friends, and those who were curious, and those who were essentially spying, and those looking for a business opportunity, and possibly a hundred other motivations--kind of like all those who claim to be Christians today. And, there are the true disciples who sometimes go astray, but they hear their Shepherd's voice and follow Him.

No matter what the motivation, Christ made it clear that Kingdom of Heaven is for those who actually do the will of God. Words are not enough.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by cook on November 13, 2019, 11:15:30 pm »
I've read that either in the real culture or just in the scripture, calling a name twice (usually God or Christ) means it's urgent they listen and listen carefully what follows. Like Martha, Martha and often Jerusalem, Jerusalem... there are many instances in both old and new testaments.

So maybe it refers also to people who only call on the Lord in prayer when in an urgent need?
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by dyany on November 13, 2019, 09:01:26 pm »
I see them as 'checkbox Christians.'

Outside of the Church, they are those Christians who proclaim to be saved and make little effort to actually follow the Savior.

Inside the Church, I see them as those who might go to the temple weekly, but treat their children like crap. Or who do their ministering by going by and, seeing their ministeree in crisis, say, "Oh we see that you're busy, we'll come back later, call us if you need anything!" Or who go to Church and get annoyed when the speakers or class instructors aren't 'interesting' or 'entertaining,' but put zero effort into learning the scriptures or doctrine themselves, including zero to little participation in class.
Basically, hypocrites.
The gospel is about BECOMING, with the Savior's help. That takes choices and effort--and not superficial effort, but true, internal effort that will change you into someone more Christ-like. Doing the check-boxes of the Church without trying to change yourself inside is like breathing when there's no oxygen in the air.  Do it all you want, but it ain't gonna do any good and you're still gonna die.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Iggy on November 13, 2019, 11:52:39 am »
Thanks, Iggy. That doesn't answer my questions, however. Who is Jesus describing when he refers to those who say, "Lord, Lord," and what does that phrase even mean?

From the heading of the chapter: Jesus concludes the Sermon on the Mount—He commands, Judge not; ask of God; beware of false prophets—He promises salvation to those who do the will of the Father. link ~ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/7?lang=eng

Then from the New Testament Seminary Teacher Manual: Summarize Matthew 7:21–23 by explaining that not everyone who declares belief in Jesus Christ will enter His kingdom, but those who do the will of Heavenly Father and come to know Him will enter the kingdom of heaven. link ~ https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/new-testament-seminary-teacher-manual/matthew/lesson-12-matthew-7?lang=eng  scroll way down to Matthew 7:15-27.

My answer to your question is, those who do the will of Heavenly Father and come to know Him will enter the kingdom of heaven. IOW those who are baptized, confirmed, endowed, temple marriage AND who do the will of Heavenly Father AND come to know Him.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Taalcon on November 13, 2019, 09:20:42 am »
Some want someone to overthrow the Old System without wanting to be a part of the specific New System Jesus is offering. IE, he's seen as a means to an end. They're against part of what he's against, but not for all the things he is for.

So they'll support him as a leader in the Revolution (they'll shout his praises, wear his team colors, change their facebook profile picture to one of support, etc) but after that overthrow is accomplished? They have no intention to honor him as the true King, and the rightful authority.

They want him to defeat the Old Way, but don't want his New Way. And Jesus is saying, 'the problem with that is, as long as you are that way, I promise you'll get exactly what you thought you wanted.' - which includes not having access to the security, protection, and peace and additional benefits offered to willful citizens of the Kingdom.

It's kind of like the parable about when a devil is cast out, and the house is swept clean without anything coming to fill in the place, (like the Spirit of God) then it leaves room for more troubles to come and take residence aftwerwards. The initial victory isn't the end of the story.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by AndrewR on November 13, 2019, 04:33:34 am »
I take it to mean those who have chosen Christ as their Lord. I think that would mean Baptised members of the Church. Though it could be extended to anyone who chooses to follow God (Allah, YHWH, etc.) and does not do what they promise to do in the following.

The agree to follow Lord, Lord (God), they pray to Lord, Lord (using that calling out), but do not do what is expected of them.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Roper on November 12, 2019, 11:15:01 pm »
Thanks, Iggy. That doesn't answer my questions, however. Who is Jesus describing when he refers to those who say, "Lord, Lord," and what does that phrase even mean?
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Iggy on November 12, 2019, 10:00:49 pm »
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." NIV Matt 7:21

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" NIV Luke 6:46 

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven." 3 Nephi 14:21.

The New Testament account doesn't make it clear if Jesus was addressing the large multitude who was with him or just the called disciples, who were also with him. The Book of Mormon account makes it clear that Jesus was addressing all who were with him. So, I take it to mean that this is a teaching for all who claim to follow Jesus, not just for called disciples.

I understand the necessity of the "doing" part in addition to the "saying" part.

What did Jesus mean when he singled out those who say (or call him) "Lord, Lord?" I understand that it's an English translation of the Greek Kyrie, which is equated with the Hebrew YHWH (Jehovah--the God of Israel.) So...who calls out to him, "Lord, Lord" and what do they want? Why did Jesus feel that this was common enough to address?

Read from the Joseph Smith New Testament Translation; Matt. 7:21 Verily I say unto you, it is not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, that shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven; and it clears it up 
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Doctrines & Scholarship / What did Jesus mean when He said...
« Last post by Roper on November 12, 2019, 09:38:09 pm »
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." NIV Matt 7:21

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" NIV Luke 6:46

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven." 3 Nephi 14:21.

The New Testament account doesn't make it clear if Jesus was addressing the large multitude who was with him or just the called disciples, who were also with him. The Book of Mormon account makes it clear that Jesus was addressing all who were with him. So, I take it to mean that this is a teaching for all who claim to follow Jesus, not just for called disciples.

I understand the necessity of the "doing" part in addition to the "saying" part.

What did Jesus mean when he singled out those who say (or call him) "Lord, Lord?" I understand that it's an English translation of the Greek Kyrie, which is equated with the Hebrew YHWH (Jehovah--the God of Israel.) So...who calls out to him, "Lord, Lord" and what do they want? Why did Jesus feel that this was common enough to address?
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