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So Trump now thinks he is "The Chosen One."  Wow. What a megalomaniac.  Yet his approval rating still hovers around 40%. It is so hard to believe that 40% of the population is that stupid, but here we are

General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: August 21, 2019, 11:59:35 pm »
ICE has been overrun by heartless, racist, compassionless scoundrels and needs to be disbanded.  The evil there runs so deep it cannot be fixed.  Immigration enforcement needs a complete purge and reboot.

General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: August 17, 2019, 09:55:41 pm »
I'm really missing the point and laugh emoji from old Nauvoo.  Yes, of course I was using hyperbole ... sort of.  It was noted that only the rich benefited during a recession, and Trump, allegedly being rich, could really snap up a bunch of real estate for super cheap is the economy tanked.  He truely has an incentive to hurt the economy.  The Greenland thing was just to be funny in light of the rumors of him proposing to buy Greenland and his horrible record on the environment.

General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: August 17, 2019, 12:06:53 am »
That's simple.  Trump.  With a depressed real estate and stock market, he can buy properties and securities on the cheap.  Heck, he might even try to buy Greenland, which will increase in value as we heat up the Earth by pumping coal into the atmosphere. 

My wifw has been saying for the last two years that he is trying to tank the economy, and I'm starting to believe her.

News of the Church / Re: More Word of Wisdom
« on: August 16, 2019, 07:29:26 am »
The green tea thin further confirms that the current WoW policy is more boundary maintenance than health code.  Moderate amounts of coffee, green tea and alcohol all extend lifespan.  Of the three, green tea is the most beneficial with the fewest negatives effects. 

When I've served in YM, I focused on training the quorum presidency on leadership and let them do as much of the planning and execution as possible.  This approach specifically taught in scouting and encouraged by church leadership.  However I get the sense from my wife and daughter that their YW experience had the adult YW leaders running the show.  I hope that with the new program, there will be a drive to let the YW class presidencies actually lead.

NT, that is a useful data point.  Compare only 4 dead in a time span of a couple of hours with a knife to dozens dead in just a few minutes when a gun is used.  Call me biased if you wish, but a knife wielder seems much less of a threat than a gun wielder.

I suspect the "new" program will look a lot like activity days with fortnightly meetings with personal progress like achievements for both genders.  My hope is that there is more spiritual requirements adder to the YM and more physical/skill based requirements on the YW side.  My concern is that the program will be so dumbed down that both YM and YW will not engage.  I'm also concerned that this emphasis on this "home focused" approach will leave too many youth without good support.  Part member and single parent families will be hit especially hard.  I worry about this willingness to accept such losses. 

Here is some good data.  Most gun deaths are accidental, suicides or by relatives.  All preventable if guns were absent in the home.  Also, the biggest gun owning demographic are white, racist, uneducated males who rely on gun ownership to give themselves a sense of security.


Palmon, thank you for your data supporting the need for national reform.  It is too easy to move guns around for local laws to be effective.  Gun control measures must be implemented at a national level to have the necessary effectiveness.

Precisely.  This isn't an all or nothing situation.  There a lot room between an all out gun ban and the wild, wild west.  Right now gun policy is too far skewed toward anarchy and more control is desperately needed.  The real debate is not whether more restrictions are needed, but which ones will be the most effective.

New automobile safety requirements are levied each year and alcohol sales are restricted to 21+ for similar reasons.  Most of these safety regs are enacted by the same group that wants to regulate gun sales, so I don't see any hypocrisy.

The challenge is gun toting law abiding citizens don't become criminals until someone is dead.  So the more guns in law abiders results in more guns in criminals.  Many, if not most, illegal gun possession is a result of guns being stolen from the good guys.  So the goal isn't to eliminate legal gun ownership, just to raise the standard to improve the likelihood that the gun owners really are the good guys. 

NT, I don't discount the value of having properly trained, registered and licensed citizens who are equipped with arms for such a contingency.  I think it it could be a effective last resort measure.  But it is a LAST RESORT measure.  By the time  any memebers of a militia like force such as this could act it would already be too late for some.

An effective, enduring solution will require multiple layers of safety measure.  At the top level, limit the numbers of arms in the country as a whole.  Second, require background checks for all arms sales.  Third, have a tired system for gun ownership.  The deadlier the weapon, the higher the scrutiny of the review.  Fourth, implement a generous buy back program to reduce the excess number of guns.  Fifth, impose criminal and civil liability for negligent gun sales or entrustment.  PSAs to discourage casual gun use. And so on.  The problem is big enough that we need a top to bottom culture change.

The best, quickest, safest way to stop a bad guy with a gun,  is to make sure he can't get a gun in the first place.

I have mixed feelings over Scalia's record.  He also eviscerated religious protections.  I'm also not a big fan of originalism as a constitutional approach.  My point was that even Scalia, who is often seen as a protectionist of gun rights, noted that the second ammendment has significant limits.  Implementation of the small number of specific restrictions he outlined would go a long way to help, but I also agree that parts of his holding was flawed.

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