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Technical Talk / Phone and computer differences
« on: October 27, 2017, 06:40:07 pm »
This is odd.  On hi thread: http://nauvoo.site/forum/index.php?topic=582.0;topicseen

On my computer I see posts in this order:


On my phone I see posts in this order

me (Patty Rain)

I refreshed both the computer and the phone page and they stay the same.

Technical Talk / Password help please
« on: October 15, 2017, 11:26:54 pm »
I sort of accidentally deleted all my data from my phone which deleted my passwords.  Apparently I don't remember what my password is.  So I did the forget password thing (now twice) and it isn't sending me an email or anything.

I'd log out from here on the computer and try it on the computer, but I'm afraid that if it doesn't  send it to me when doing it here I won't get back in.  Any chance I can recover my password in some other way?

General Discussion / Perspective changes
« on: October 09, 2017, 01:08:42 pm »
I always hate when people say things like,  "just be grateful you have food. The people in India don't."  It isn't really listening to the person and empathizing with them and it rarely works. Sometimes things, even little things, are hard and it is ok to acknowledge that.

My husband is in France for work.  We got a text from his coworker saying there was an emergency and then texts saying not to worry, but no idea what the problem was. Then I emailed another coworker and same thing. Then I found out he was in the hospital and still didn't know what the problem was. 

Now, I wasn't terribly worried,  but I did want to know what was going on.  I posted on Facebook about what was happening.

A little while later I found out he had kidney stones and was feeling much better.

Then one of my friends posted to my posted that it must have been scary and she was glad everything was ok.

And my whole perspective changed like that...

See, just one year ago she got one of those emergency contacts and her husband wasn't ok. He died. I'm guessing my post brought up memories for her, but she said nothing about her situation. She just was caring enough to listen to me about our situation.

I hope to be like her some day.

General Discussion / Someone's husband wrote some books
« on: April 23, 2017, 11:49:24 pm »
I was going to ask my husband if he was interested because he likes that genre, but I can't find the thread even though there was a post recently. Can someone guide me to it please?

General Discussion / 7 Habits for Highly Effective People
« on: February 21, 2017, 10:07:46 am »
I'm cureentry reading "The 7 Habits for Highly Effective People". One of the things in it is that we should teach or discuss what is in it so we can learn it better.  So here I go.

I'm currently reading about being proactive verses reactive. Someone can choose what to do rather than react to something. 

One of my most favorite movie scenes is in Short Circuit. An older man is taking care of his wife with such deep love. She doesn't understand the depth of his love because she doesn't understand what he is doing for her.  I don't remember if she had dementia or alzheimer's or what. I've watched that movie again in the last couple of years and realized I didn't like the whole movie as much as I thought,  but that scene still sticks out to me.

In the book,  Covey says that Hollywood movies almost always display people who are reactive in love, not proactive. They fall in love.  They are controlled by that love.  They don't choose to be in love. 

And now I see why this was one of my favorite movie scenes.  This man chose to love his wife by the service he gave her. By continuing to care for her. He love was proactive.

Now, I'm looking at myself.  I'm largely proactive. As I go through my life I can see so many times where I have chosen how to respond rather than react. Except for a few areas. One is with a loved one. Another is with food.

The food one isn't that simple because I can see it is both my response to other things happening and it is the thing that iniates a response in me to eat it. So with the first I obviously have other things I am not proactive  with (I react by eating, rather than choose what and how to eat). Then other times, I let the food call to me and I react rather than choosing my actions over it.

I've been aware of this for some time.  Where I am coming up short is how to change that response into choosing how to act.

I'm hoping as I read that I will be able to figure out how to do that.  Somehow I need to learn those skills.

General Discussion / Boy's voice changes
« on: January 08, 2017, 08:57:58 pm »
To start with - we are not teasing or saying anything at all to our son about this.

He turned 15 in July and has had the voice change thing going on since before that.  Looking online it usually runs from a couple of weeks to 6 months in boys 10-14.

With this running longer and with extensive speech problems for years I'm starting to worry.  Did any of you men or your boys go longer than 6 months or older than 15? Have you heard of speech problems being related to it?  A lot of his problems were more to do with his tongue so I don't see a connection, but maybe...

Mormon Life / Cub scout program requirements changed
« on: December 01, 2016, 02:47:04 pm »
The Boy Scouts of America has announced modifications to Cub Scouting that make the program more flexible for busy parents, den leaders and Cubmasters.

The BSA gathered feedback from den leaders who had delivered the new Cub Scouting program for a year. What they learned was that some den leaders had difficulty fitting into their program year all of the adventures required for advancement. This resulted in boys not advancing. After a thoughtful and deliberate review, the BSA has released some modifications to address this concern.

What are the modifications? Some adventure requirements that previously were mandatory will become optional, in a move intended to give Cub Scouters more control over their den program.

The changes, which take effect today (Nov. 30, 2016), were approved by the National Executive Committee of the Boy Scouts of America.

The fine-tuning reflects the BSA’s three-step approach to new programs: Launch. Learn. Modify.

Here’s a quick look at what you need to know.

Cub Scouting’s fall 2016 modifications, an overview

First of all, you won’t need to buy any new materials. The new requirements will be posted in a free addendum available at scouting.org/programupdates. This will supplement the handbooks in current circulation and for sale online and in Scout shops.

While the overall feedback from den leaders about the new Cub Scout program has been very positive, some den leaders said a number of the new adventures had requirements that were too difficult for dens to complete within the Scouting year.

The number of new Cub Scouts is up in many areas of the country, but rank advancement rates have not kept pace, meaning the BSA’s team of volunteers and staff advisers wanted to react quickly to eliminate what might have become a roadblock for some dens.

A national volunteer task force developed a solution: Make more of the adventure requirements optional, giving dens more flexibility to match their unique needs.

The modifications are designed to ensure that adventure requirements are achievable by today’s Cub Scout dens within a program year. This means they are achievable by all Cub Scouts, regardless of background or socioeconomic status.

Most of the modifications involve the number of requirements that must be completed, reducing the mandate to a number achievable within the limited time available to many dens. This is done while retaining the rich program options that allow leaders to build strong programs adapted to their needs.
The changes increase den-level customization. Units that can handle more content, perhaps because they meet more often or for longer periods, can — and should! — keep the optional requirements part of their program. On the other hand, those that have struggled to finish the requirements will welcome these changes as a way to meet their needs.

With the modifications, dens should be able to complete one adventure in approximately two den meetings.

The transition should be seamless, with leaders able to use revised requirements as the den begins any new adventure.


Church Callings & Experiences / If you were a Wolf den leader...
« on: November 28, 2016, 08:44:05 pm »
The boys need to earn their bobcat first.  Most of this is learning the scout oath, motto etc. While we do repeat one or two of the things each week, the boys really need to work on it at home. 

I have one boy who has been in since summer and doesn't have it yet.  He can't be awarded other awards till he does.  He really needs to work on it more on a daily basis. Now I can find ways to work with him individually even though I think the parents should.  I actually go back and forth of how I feel about it, but anyway...

The last thing to be done is for the boy and his parent to work through the child safety stuff together. I've tried to explain why I need to have them do this,  but it is still not getting done. 

Any suggesting on how to help this parent so he can be awarded his awards?

General Discussion / Click bait scriptures
« on: September 30, 2016, 05:02:23 pm »

Book of Mormon: The pile of arms that made a king speechless.

Can you think of any?

General Discussion / Ride from Richfield to Salt Lake
« on: August 15, 2016, 02:16:23 pm »
My husband is going to the Salina/Richfield area. He will be returning on the 22 to Salt Lake.  We have transportation arranged for him while there and to get there, but am unsure how to get him back.  If I need to we can have him rent a car in Salt Lake and just have him drive that the whole time, but I figured I would just put it out there to see if anyone is already headed that way any way and would be willing to give him a ride or if you know of a service that goes that far.  Most I have found only go as far as the Provo area.

I'll need to know some time today so if you see this later then don't worry about answering.

General Discussion / Libertygranny - trials
« on: August 10, 2016, 12:09:15 pm »
Your posts on the home teaching thread were the right timing with what I just read.  I have been reading "Hearing the Voice of the Lord" by Lund. He just talked about revelation concerning Joseph Smith in Liberty Jail. I read your post and then read that passage and it fit so well I wanted to share it with you.

But here is another lesson to learn from that experience. While Joseph was in jail all that time, the challenge of leading an exodus of thousands of Saints to safety in the dead of winter fell to the two senior Apostles, Brigham Young and Heber C. Kimball. These were the very two men on whom would fall the task
 just eight years later of leading the Saints across more than a thousand miles of wilderness to the Valley of the Great Salt Lake. How's that for "in-service training"?
Often while we are undergoing our own learning experience, the Lord may be accomplishing His purposes with other people and in other settings. This is why it is foolish to think that we can fathom with our finite perspective the
 infinite and eternal purposes of God.
Clearly, even a calling to the holy apostleship doesn't give an individual some divine "You-Are-Hereby-Excused-from-Adversity" card.
This testing and tutoring process can be a real trial of our faith because it is not the same with all people. Some faithful Saints face very difficult trials such as lifelong pain or one family tragedy after another. Some plead with the Lord and miracles happen. Yet at the same time, those equally faithful are not delivered. Their pleadings and striving do not result in a miracle.
We can ask ourselves questions about why such intervention happens in one case
 and not another. Why are some spared and some taken? Why do some suffer so much
 and others hardly at all? Why does life seem so unfair at times? Many times we cannot answer those questions. God determines all aspects of revelation. We don't get to choose whether we are delivered from our trials any more than we get to choose whether we have trials or not or what form they take if they are givento us. What we do get to choose is how we will respond. We can decide if we will come through those experiences with greater faith and greater patience or if we will walk away doubting the Lord's power and love. Here are a few examples of the latter reaction.

General Discussion / Pokemon Go at Primary Children's Hospital
« on: July 27, 2016, 12:56:20 am »
Love this!


One of my high school friends got to participate in this and shared what happened.  I love primary children's hospital and I love how they were able to team up with creative students who put their heart into helping ill kids. So cool!

General Discussion / APPLYING conference talks
« on: July 21, 2016, 06:43:54 pm »
Which specific  conference talk (or couple of talks) has changed you the most because of your APPLICATION of the talk in your life?

I will be subbing in the 16-17yo old SS class on Sunday. It is on church councils. I would like to start with a council of sorts. Perhaps have some sort of puzzle/game for the whole group to do. Something where I can listen to each viewpoint of how we should go about it. Something that unifies them as they work together.

Have you seen any game or puzzle etc that might fit this?

I VT a sister yesterday.  When I couldn't figure out which conference talk she might need I chose one that I needed - the one on forgiveness.  Discovered that actually did need that one.

As we talked we agreed that we both needed to doggone people in our lives,  that forgiveness does not mean condoning the actions.  We ate both stuck though on how to forgive someone when the harm is still happening.

The simple answer is to leave the situation, but there are times when you don't have much of a choice.  For example when you are a prisoner. Or custody problems in divorce.  Or children who are abused and are not listened to when they need help. 

Forgivness is kind of like the healing balm if medicine,  but how does something heal when the scab is pulled off again and again?

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