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Forum and Member News / Re: Life changes
« on: September 21, 2017, 12:01:38 pm »
I'm sorry for your loss, Roper.  I am so, so glad you are there, though, and settled in enough that you could have some space to deal with the loss.  What an incredible blessing.
I am down in Utah occasionally, I will try to go a little further south one of these days to give you a holler. :)
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:34:16 am »
You must remember: while the paths are more open scholastically in the states, they are far more restrictive financially.  So I will continue to pray that he can work things out where he is, or find his own path.
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pg: that's kind of funny.  Even when I was in hs, we of the nerdier persuasions in the school knew that MENSA was full of prats and braggarts; that was all the membership was for.  Many people I knew were eligible, but most avoided it because they either weren't that full of themselves, or they were afraid of it getting worse. 
In my adult experience, 100% of the people I have known who were intellectually precocious are severely out-of-balance with their life skills.  That is, their mental talents were offset by gaps in social, emotional, creative, physical, or other important skillsets.  If left unchecked--which it often is, since most of us are so astounded by any significant talent in 1-2 areas that we fail to notice the severity of the shadows they cast--then the person becomes not only more out-of-balance (encouraged to pursue the area in which they are already incredibly talented, and either told or left to assume that their weaknesses are unimportant), but skewed in how they view what is important in others, their own lives, and the world. 
I consider MENSA to be the meeting place of many of these off-kilter persons where they feed their delusions and tell each other it's all perfectly fine.
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He probably thinks in his own way that he is being helpful. 
If I broached the subject with him--which I probably wouldn't unless I knew him well or felt very protective of the director or he offended everyone and I had stewardship--I would start with acknowledging the good intentions he hopefully has (and, giving him the benefit of the doubt, I am going to assume he has). 
Something like, "Thank you for coming to choir and being so involved and conscientious."
Then I would be careful in how I presented the issue, but make it clear what lines were crossed.  Something like, "I noticed today that you had some ideas for the piece we were doing that didn't mesh with the director's ideas.  In fact, everyone noticed.  Many people were very uncomfortable about the contention, as they are trying to sustain the director in this calling, and know that she is the only one with the stewardship to receive revelation about how we as the ward choir sing the songs.  I am sure your way is good, too, but there are lots of ways to sing a hymn, and she is the one with the stewardship to make the decisions.  I know that she knows you are a good resource and will come to you if she has questions.  So I'm asking if you could help us keep the Spirit in practice and avoiding contention by trying to find the good in the way she does it."

I'm looking at what I just wrote and I'm not happy with it, either.  Yet another reason why I wouldn't say anything and why I'm never given leadership positions.  I kind of feel like this some days: https://youtu.be/Ow0lr63y4Mw
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: September 09, 2017, 05:06:59 pm »
This is an elderly patient with mental illness, a history of alcohol abuse, and I suspect some dementia.  There are many possible and excusable reasons she could have got it wrong.  I cut her some slack.
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: September 06, 2017, 10:58:22 am »
Andrew, it is a silly phrase meant to refer to both where the West lies on a map and their political leanings.
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General Discussion / Re: It Never Fails!
« on: September 05, 2017, 09:55:22 pm »
I 2nd the recommendation for LG or anything made by them.  We've had one for nearly 10 years and we love it.  Just watch out and don't let the drain tube in the back get plugged up, because that will cause some grief!
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General Discussion / Re: The Feel-Good Thread
« on: September 05, 2017, 12:35:30 pm »
BLT for breakfast, most of my patients cancelled their appointments this week, the days are starting to get shorter & cooler, and I have a 4 layer fudge cake in the kitchen. 

So often, it's the little things. :)
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General Discussion / Re: It Never Fails!
« on: September 05, 2017, 12:25:45 am »
What a blessing that your fridge didn't go out until you had money to replace it!
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OK, I changed the thread title.  I hope you don't mind I changed your suggested wording slightly.  And I hope no one is offended I stole a bit from Harry Potter.... O:-)
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News of the Church / Re: New curriculum
« on: September 01, 2017, 12:16:29 pm »
I think the Church is trying to deal with an inherent dilemma in the gospel and church, as has been around since Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. 
We are on earth to learn through our own experience.  Through DOING.  Through PRAYING.  Through the SPIRIT.  It is absolutely essential.  Leaders should only be there to teach us correct principles and let us govern ourselves.  But too many people are scared they will make mistakes or bad things will happen if they do not have very exacting rules of what they shouldn't do and what exactly they have to do.  They don't want to act or think independently.  I will admit I was personally like this most of my life.  I often begged Heavenly Father to 'just tell me exactly what to do and I will do it.'  But He NEEDS us to figure things out.  It's interesting that one of Joseph Smith's problems was being pestered day and night by every little question from almost every single Saint. 

We are not here to learn to be marionettes.  Quite the opposite. 

However, as we all well know, waaaay too many people think that learning to be independent means they can do whatever they want., or are just too lazy and disinterested in being good to think that anything but very specific rules count.  The first group doesn't follow the commandments that ARE given, and in no way seek the Spirit.  The second doesn't give a flip about the Spirit of the law, and will often find 'loopholes' in the letter of the law to feed their natural man desires.  Not only does this produce the problems directly caused by the rebellion and disobedience, but it drives the rule-following saints crazy.  So, all too often, they make more rules and more rules, especially because of the 2nd group who ARE somewhat deterred in their bad choices if there are exact rules banning their exact behavior.
The problem is, more rules doesn't solve the real problem, which is that these people need to be 'anxiously involved in a good cause.'  They need to be actively seeking to become like Christ.  You don't need micromanagement for that.  You need to seek the Spirit and instruction through prayer and scripture study.  It's simple because we, individually, must personally decide to work and seek and grow to fill in the blanks.  If we don't learn that it is completely up to us, if we don't start really trying, then no amount of exact rules, or precise and micromanaged lesson plans, will save us.  I feel that the Brethren have seen this and are worried about it.  I believe that the new lesson manuals are an effort to urge us to start thinking more independently and seeking learning and understanding through the Spirit and our own study.  Because it is absolutely essential for our eternal progression that we develop the initiative and wisdom that cannot be gained by micromanagement and hand-holding.

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kaz, I really just want to hug you for starting this thread. :)
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News of the Church / Re: New curriculum
« on: August 31, 2017, 11:15:38 am »
All I can say is that the manuals are a baseline.  When taught in youth classes (usually by youth, if followed properly), they will be closer to that baseline.  When taught to adults, a good instructor AND CLASS will always be able to enhance from that baseline to various degrees. 
Personally, I have had bad instructors but am rarely bored in classes.  Often that means I am not paying 100% attention because it means I have taken something that was mentioned and I'm pondering that at length in my own head while maintaining just enough attention to occasionally comment.  I know this isn't normal, because of the shock and positive reactions to the comments I make after the pondering.  But it doesn't mean that anyone is trapped at the baseline if their spiritual understanding is beyond that.  In fact, I would daresay that anyone who feels trapped at that baseline may not have as much spiritual understanding and maturity as they think they do.  Because the material has to be publicly adapted for the weakest of the Saints.  The rest of us are allowed, encouraged, and even have a DUTY to ponder and learn and extrapolate from that baseline.  If we abdicate what we get from a lesson to the level of the worst instructor, like they have 100% of the responsibility and we are only there to be entertained and elucidated without effort on our part...well, we're not doing it right.
My pondering starting questions to myself are usually along these lines:
-what core principles, in modern terms, can I glean from this passage?
-how does that affect my perception of my personal experiences?
-how can I apply these principles to my current circumstances to improve them and/or my perceptions of them and bring me closer to God?
-what are ways in which these principles can be applied and/or understood in not just my life, but a modern context, and the specific context of the people around me in this room right now?
-in what ways could this information be presented to help the people around me understand the principle better to help them be happier and closer to the Lord?  (And yes, I do this extensively as a student.  EVERY time.  Because I feel as much responsibility with my comments as I have felt as an instructor.)
-how does this gospel story/parable/history apply to other instances in ancient and modern teachings?

It helps that I knit in class. :P  I have ADD and that helps calm my brain enough to pay attention and ponder better.
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My CTR 4 class LOOOOOVVVESS the story of Ammon amongst the Lamanites.  I have to tell it a lot. :)
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Mormon Life / Re: Struggles with Church Leadership structure
« on: August 04, 2017, 08:35:26 pm »
Jen, I agree that education alone will not fix the problem.  And good points were made earlier about the burden it would put upon the bishop to receive that level of training.  But this problem still exists: wisdom and following the Holy Spirit are not required (at least not ENFORCED) for the job, and a bishop is still an active bishop until he is released from that calling, whether his priesthood power is gone from unrighteous dominion or not.  While I think extra education could be helpful, it won't fix anything by itself.  The only thing I can think might help is more accountability for misdeeds.   As in, they have been given mostly free reign to fill the calling as they see fit.  But enough damage is being done by really, REALLY bad ideas of what constitutes 'fit,' that more consequences for misdeeds need to be enforced.
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