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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 16, 2018, 03:23:56 pm »
After antagonizing the countries we have to live next door to every day, & bashing allies that have been at America's side for decades, in some cases centuries, & have shed blood alongside American blood, now what does he do?


"Bizarre" is only part of it.

One of a kind.

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Mormon Life / Re: We Find What We Seek
« on: July 15, 2018, 07:46:51 pm »
We do often hear it said that people tend to find whatever they're looking for, & those who are always feeling picked on or cheated or victimized feel that way because they typically see the worst in other folks. They probably tend not to see the best in themselves as well.

In a similar vein, was it Abraham Lincoln who said that people are usually about as happy as they decide to be?
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 08, 2018, 06:22:20 pm »
This article is so frustrating, because it seems to leave out crucial information, but wants to paint a picture to disparage Trump. I think you need several levels of information before you can do that.

I'm not sure the intent of the article is to disparage Trump, although there's plenty aside from this issue to disparage him (and, to be fair, almost everyone in national leadership positions, where we are sorely lacking in quality). I think the notion of blanket discharges for military personnel simply because they are immigrants grates on most Americans' sense of fairness, equal opportunity, refraining from stereotyping, & judging people by the content of their character & not the color of their skin (or their birthplace, parents' names, or other factors not of their choosing).
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News of the Church / Re: Church Worthiness Interviews
« on: July 08, 2018, 06:15:56 pm »
But I imagine for most pornography users it is not addiction, it is a choice, just like with alcohol and other substances. And addictions can be overcome, even though it is hard.

Addiction may not be a choice that the person wanted or sought, but almost all addictions begin with a choice. Just one choice. I have no doubt that every man or woman, boy or girl who says, “I’ll just try this once – one time won’t hurt me – I can handle it” never intends to get hooked. No one who tries that thing “just this one time” stops to think that some practices or activities or substances are more addictive than others, & some individuals have personalities, physiological or psychological situations, life circumstances or living environments that put them more at risk for addiction than others.

No one thinks they will become an addict with their first cigarette (or fruit or mint cigarillos that are being marketed to youth “In consequence of evils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of conspiring men in the last days,” [D&C 89]), or their first joint, swig of malt liquor, porn video, or pull on a slot machine. Most addictive substances or behaviors are made to seem exciting, cool, enjoyable, attractive – or if none of the above, they are made to look like antidotes to depression, loneliness, a boring life, or various failures. Sure, advertisers say “Please drink responsibly” or “Play the lottery responsibly,” but how loud do they say it & how clear do they try to make it how risky those things can be to some people?

This is why the Word of Wisdom, Law of Chastity, & other commandments that address what we do with our bodies (& those of other people) are such a blessing. So are Church leaders’ warnings against porn, gambling, entertainment with excessive sex or violence, or hanging out in places where unwholesome activities are offered. The well-known adage “Know thyself” is good, but how do I know every medical, psychological, or hereditary factor hidden in the DNA that I got from all my ancestors? If I make up my mind to follow these laws "with exactness and honor", not being pharisaical about it, but doing my best to keep both the letter & spirit of the law, they protect me both physically & spiritually. If I decide that chastity means more than just “thou shalt not do IT,” but includes respecting the bodies & the procreative ability that God gave me & everyone else, that saves me from a lot of woes that aren't necessarily connected only to “doing IT.” If I decide to follow the Word of Wisdom, it makes no difference whether I have a hereditary or physiological predisposition to alcoholism, whether I'm aware of it or not: no alcohol going into me means I am not at risk of becoming alcoholic.

And knowing how hard overcoming addictions can be - with varying degrees of difficulty for everyone - it's best that I do try to bring both exactness & honor to keeping the commandments that I know my wise & loving Father gave to keep me safe.
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 06, 2018, 11:01:13 pm »
The Marquis de Lafayette is the best known foreign hero of the Revolutionary War. He trained soldiers, led them in battle, devised strategy, & recruited Native Americans to the colonists’ side. We all know he was born in France, & after American independence, he returned home & helped foment the revolution against the monarchy.

John Paul Jones, the “father of the U.S. Navy,” was born in Scotland. After the Revolution, he served in the Russian Navy. He had a checkered career and life after the Revolution & died in France but is now buried at the Naval Academy in Annapolis.

Thaddeus Kosciusko (anglicized), a native of Lithuania, was a military engineer who helped design fortifications as well as commanded troops. Like Lafayette, he returned home after serving in the Revolution & became a leader for reforms in his country.

Friedrich von Steuben was born in Prussia & served in the army there. He came to the colonies & helped train the Continental Army. One reason he left was home was harassment over the perception, now believed true, that he was homosexual. He lived in New York State for the rest of his life & is buried there.

Kasimir Pulaski, the “father of the U.S. Cavalry,” was born in Poland & originally fought against invaders of his own country. He expatriated himself to Paris where he met Benjamin Franklin who was serving as consul & advocate from the newly declared nation of the United States, & Franklin recruited him to serve in the Continental Army. Pulaski was killed in battle & is buried in Savannah, Georgia.

Much of the money to pay for the Revolutionary War, including to pay the wages of some of the troops (including Kosciusko) came from Haym Salomon (anglicized), a Jewish banker born in Poland. He was not in the military but was arrested twice by the British as a suspected spy & once sentenced to death. He managed to evade the noose, died after the war & is buried in Philadelphia.

Eight soldiers born outside the U.S. were awarded the Medal of Honor for service in the Vietnam War. One Afghanistan veteran received it, & he would probably be suspect today because his mother was French-Algerian.

I hope we are not at a point in immigrant hysteria that we will strip these men of the honors they have received from the United States, disinter those who were buried here & dump them somewhere else, or posthumously demote them or give them an administrative discharge them from the U.S. military.
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General Discussion / Re: The Feel-Good Thread
« on: July 06, 2018, 02:51:42 pm »

News of the Church / Re: Church Worthiness Interviews
« on: July 06, 2018, 02:39:11 pm »
Roper, I'm editing the post where I asked a question & got way TMI.  :o  I never woulda thought of that, but then my mind doesn't work that way. You're welcome to delete or edit your reply.

Now I need to get up to the Cabin & check on the critters, to be sure they're safe.  ::)
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 05, 2018, 10:43:55 pm »
I've always respected people who were not yet citizens but we were willing to serve in the military. No doubt some immigrants are security risks, but so are some natural-born life-long U.S. citizens. I'm afraid this is yet one more divisive measure designed to make people more mistrusting & hostile toward each other. Unfortunately, "Us vs Them" is the political tactic of the day, where once upon a time the goal for leaders in both parties was unity, cooperation, & working toward common goals. Now there isn't even a pretense.

As a native-born U.S. citizen, I sure miss America.
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Church Callings & Experiences / Re: Asking for Help
« on: July 05, 2018, 10:35:28 pm »
Hi, Nita - nice to see you!

I think one big reason Church members are reluctant to accept help (let alone come out & ask for any) is that we emphasize self-reliance so much. It's a two-edged sword. We're supposed to be able to take care of ourselves & our families, rely on the Lord, & not be a burden on other people - but then leaders & teachers turn around & tell us we are blessed or bless others when we allow ourselves to receive service.

I don't know what the solution is.
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General Discussion / Re: Great news :)
« on: June 28, 2018, 02:50:43 am »
Thanks for letting us know! Indeed, Heavenly Father is good & wise, & you & your whole family is being blessed for being faithful & patient & diligent.
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Relief Society / Re: The new RS/PH meetings
« on: June 23, 2018, 04:07:24 am »
We do & we don't.

It varies depending on who is leading the council meeting & how she wants it to unfold. I don't know what the EQ does. Sometimes we have a circle, sometimes several circles for smaller groups, other times it is the typical rows of seats but people are invited to participate in an open discussion.

The guidelines from Church leadership say we CAN arrange seats in a circle but don't prescribe any specific arrangement. I think varying it from month to month is a good idea because folks differ in their preference of how they're seated, & it's only fair that everyone have an equal chance to be displeased a few times a year.
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:29:41 pm »
Just coincidence - today is World Refugee Day.

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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: June 19, 2018, 05:11:41 pm »
Someone else who has "been there" sounds off. And he says, "At least in the internment camps..." - IOW, as awful as that was, & as egregious a violation of people's civil & basic human rights, there was a mitigating factor that these kids & parents don't have.


Most of us here are too young to personally remember either the Japanese-American internment or this next episode personally, but many of us have heard of it. I saw the movie ages ago, but had to look up the details to refresh my memory.


Decades later, according to the Wikipedia story: "In May 2018, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the Government of Canada would offer a formal apology in the country's House of Commons for its role in the fate of the ship's passengers." Although the folks at our border are not in the same kind of peril as the MV St. Louis passengers, will a future POTUS eighty years from now be making a similar apology?

You're right, Jana, it isn't easy. Where these folks came from might have been a real horror story, or else they wouldn't be making such extreme efforts to get into the U.S. knowing the risk of arrest & deportation. I think one thing that dismays many people (& even many of the ruling party) is the seemingly harsh & heartless way this was done, with Sessions, Nielsen, & Trump taking a completely letter-of-the-law approach without apparent attention to the human aspects. That, along with the idea that young kids have to be made to suffer for whatever their parents did.

The ruling party (at least those up for election this year) is starting to worry about the impact of widespread viewing of children bawling behind barbed wire on their electoral chances. That's the immediate, pragmatic concern, which is a big reason so many are distancing themselves from it. Some Republicans or conservatives (like Mia Love whom I quoted above, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush, Susan Collins, Laura Bush, & even Franklin Graham & Trump's own wife) are adding more philosophical & humanitarian questions, which it appears do not bother Trump, Nielsen, & Sessions.

However this plays out over the summer, whatever your political inclinations are, I guarantee that you're going to see Democratic candidates showing not only images of Trump praising Kim Jong-un, courting Putin & China, calling third world countries ****holes, insulting legitimate world leaders, or equivocating about whether the Klan or neo-Nazis actually are evil - but also provocative picture of those children bawling behind barbed wire.
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General Discussion / Re: Cabin & Porch
« on: June 19, 2018, 04:33:15 pm »
Hi, Kazbert - it's nice to see you, & I hope you get some people contacting you to compare experiences with. I hope all is going well otherwise.

I **think** most Nauvoodles peek into the Cabin now & then, but in case some don't (a Cabin might be intimidating to some people, because I hear there is a horror or slasher movie by that name), you might post on the Forum & Member News forum too.

We are now in June Gloom on the California coast, so it's foggy, & when the fog thins out, it's overcast. I don't think we had two hours of real sunlight yesterday, & today is moving in that direction too. But it isn't cold. So I have fresh lemonade & a watermelon in the kitchen in case anyone has a dry throat. (The watermelon has claw marks on the outside, but not to worry, I heard the critters bickering over it in time & snatched it from the brink of destruction before they got in).
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: June 18, 2018, 11:25:40 pm »
Church is troubled by the forced separation of families & says it is harmful to families & especially children. Elder Uchtdorf, having been a refugee twice from both Nazis and Soviets, can certainly identify.


All living U.S. First Ladies have chimed in, including Melania Trump.


Rep. Mia Love of Utah, a New York-born daughter of refugees from the repressive Papa Doc Duvalier regime in Haiti, says the breaking up of families is horrible and is not about left or right, but right or wrong.

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