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Ahhh, the beloved classic Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God. I remember reading that in American Lit class. I wonder if Reverend Edwards used the word "supernal," or if he didn't waste any mention of heaven on his clearly wicked, hopelessly doomed listeners.  :D
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But someone ALWAYS says "supernal." It wouldn't be General Conference without it. :)
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: March 07, 2018, 01:32:48 am »
Prayers going forth. Every religion has a version of the Golden Rule. May those folks remember theirs.
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Billy Graham has passed – a life 99 years long, & well lived in the service of God. I never embraced his particular kind of religion, but I don’t think I could find any reason to doubt his commitment or sincerity. He was an evangelist in a positive sense, before some of the “televangelists” who have been a less positive influence or have made evangelical Christianity look bad. I think his son Franklin has been more contentious & less like his dad than I would have liked.

He often walked a thin line among different religious & political viewpoints, so much that he was able to be a religious advisor to several presidents of both parties. Both #45 & #44 praised him upon learning of his death, as some of their predecessors did.

When I was a little kid, my parents, dyed-in-the-wool Protestants, took me to revival meetings. I grew up in Northern California, & I think we went to hear Billy Graham at the Cow Palace just south of San Francisco. Or maybe it wasn’t on one of those family trips, but with a group from the church I grew up in. The pastor was always organizing those trips for the youth & adults, & even sometimes had weeklong revivals at the church where the community was invited. I don’t recall that I was moved by the Spirit to go up at “altar call” to give my life to the Lord, but many people did. Billy Graham brought a lot of people to a closer awareness of the Lord & their relationship with Him, & while I don’t know how long the spirit of the altar calls lasted, many of them must have stayed faithful & lived godly lives.

I’m sure he is enjoying his well-earned rest.

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Home Preparedness and Food Storage / Re: Household & travel hints
« on: February 20, 2018, 05:21:37 pm »
have to look close up or probe among the bristles with a toothpick. ::)

May all your troubles be such first world ones  :)

:D  I think a lot of helpful hints we share here are answers to first-world problems. Yeah, we're all very blessed, & I'm blessed to have a hairbrush at all. And to have hair. 8)

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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: The Flood
« on: February 19, 2018, 03:49:54 am »
Maybe the Flood was not “literally” a baptism of the Earth, but many people look for symbolic meanings in scripture that they want to see, that perhaps make some scriptural passages more personal for them. I’ve been known to do that. It may not be a doctrinal truth that we teach that God baptized the Earth by water & will baptize it by fire after the Second Coming, in a likeness of how we are purified by water & the Spirit. But some people do believe that, or at least see symbolic connections, & is that necessarily a bad thing? I don’t see it as a big issue that affects our eternal salvation, but I don’t see any harm in it either if people are actually thinking enough about the scriptures to look for personal meaning in them.
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General Discussion / Re: Cabin & Porch
« on: February 17, 2018, 03:51:20 am »
Did you know that in California, only veterinarians are legally allowed to give animals medical treatment? If emergency responders give first aid or resuscitation to pets, as they can to humans, they are violating the law. We know they do it, because it's reported often, but they risk prosecution & fines.

A state legislator is proposing a law to allow first responders to treat cats & dogs, with protection from liability. It could be expanded to include other animals.


So now our critters have another line of defense if something goes wrong here at the Cabin. See, Punkin, we've always told you that police, firefighters, & other emergency responders were your friends. Now they're allowed to prove it!  :)
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Technical Talk / Re: Smells Like Scam
« on: February 17, 2018, 03:40:56 am »
Hi, Jacaré - it's nice to see you here!
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Technical Talk / Re: Smells Like Scam
« on: February 14, 2018, 12:30:55 pm »
Indeed it is good English - good English as written by someone whose first language appears not to be U.S. English. The writer could be a non-English-speaking person, or might well be English-speaking but not from the U.S.

It looks good, uses correct words, & will fool some readers. But the vocabulary & diction are not typical vernacular American English, so it won't sound "right" to those who are accustomed to the vernacular.
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Book Club / Re: The Whitney Awards
« on: February 13, 2018, 01:21:42 am »
This is cool to know, Dyany. With a scarcity of full-service LDS bookstores or other resources where I live, it isn’t always easy to find good LDS writing. Seagull has been gone from Oakland for years & the nearest Deseret is in Sacramento.

You’re right, the page is slow (zzzz), but now I have the link to use anytime.
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General Discussion / Re: Cabin & Porch
« on: February 12, 2018, 02:33:40 am »
Prayers continuing, Jana, & also for other Nauvoo neighbors needing special blessings. I'm not always sure who all is in need at the moment, but if we pray for "Nauvoo friends," the Lord knows who we mean.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: New Curriculum for Third Hour
« on: February 07, 2018, 01:17:18 am »
I’ve heard a number of favorable reactions to this (as well as gripes from folks who are used to “the way we’ve always done it” & feel challenged when things change).

Some of the things people like: Most weeks, topics & materials are locally chosen, by the people who are closest to the ward members & know them best. Week 1 is council, on a topic that HP, RS, & EQ leaders select based on what their people need or issues they’ve seen in the ward or in their orgs. Each might pick something different, or they might be separately inspired to pick one topic of interest to the whole ward.  Weeks 2 & 3 build on that topic, with related Church leader talks from GC (in one ward where I have friends, they used previous Christmas Devotional talks in December in lieu of GC talks). The occasional Week 5 is directed by the bishopric. Only Week 4 has a topic chosen outside the ward.

In past years, it was the opposite. Weeks 2 & 3 were from Presidents of the Church manuals, & Week 4 was Teachings for Our Times with GC talks selected by the stake. Only Weeks 1 (taught by HP, EQ, & RS leaders) & 5 (from bishopric) originated locally.  Even though it was important for us to learn the teachings of past prophets, the lessons were sometimes formulaic, & too often in my ward & others, I saw verbatim reading of the text with an occasional “What do you think Pres. X meant, and how does it apply to your life?” Stake choices for GC talks were made with the needs of stake members in mind, but if your stake is like mine, one size can never fit all.

I live in the Bay Area where we have YSA wards, Spanish, Filipino, Samoan, Tongan, & Chinese language or cultural units, & traditional “family” geographic wards. Some family wards are also MSA magnet wards, & most have many singles of all ages – employed, stay-home, combination employed/stay-home, retired, never married with or without kids, divorced with or without kids, widowed, you name it. Many have changing populations, with folks coming & going for school or career, or moving to more affordable places when kids start arriving. So the transition to having more of the “adult hour” topics & materials be relevant to real live people in those wards seems to resonate with many (the exceptions we see are mainly those who have been in the Church a long time, are very settled with the way things have been, don’t like sitting in small groups or a circle, or don’t favor a lot of discussion). This is more work for leaders of those orgs – I see how much effort some of them put into it. But hopefully it will bless individuals, families, & wards.
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Now, this is bizarre. But I guess it shouldn't surprise us. I guess it's time for someone to get to work on technology that can protect these troops as individuals & also protect national security.

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As Christians, we are commanded to love our neighbor, but I’m going to have a really tough time with these neighbors. I’m afraid to think what I’d do if I had a millstone & got near these people.


This story has been unfolding for several days in southern California, in a town not far from CrowGirl & Libertygranny. This is just unbelievable, to think anyone (I hesitate to use the word “parents”) would do this to children, theirs or anyone’s. And I wonder how no one in the three most recent places they lived in Texas & California never noticed anything odd, or never called any authorities.

These kids were tied up, then chained to the beds with padlocks once they showed a penchant to escape. They were made to sleep all day & be up all night. The kids were beaten, starved, shown pies or other food that they were forbidden to eat, forced to watch the adults eat, allowed to shower 1-2 times a year, punished for “playing in the water” if they washed their hands above the wrists, & denied access to the toilet. The “parents” claimed to be home schooling, & the kids didn’t go to the doctor or dentist & had no idea what medicine was. The oldest was a daughter age 29 who weighed 82 pounds, and all had severe malnutrition and lack of development that suggested it had gone for years. The police thought at first they were all minors, but it turned out seven were young adults. When officers showed up, some of the kids had no idea what police were because they’d been so isolated.

The adults really had the kids under their thumbs. There are reports they all went to Las Vegas at least three times when the adults “renewed their vows,” & pictures were found that may show them all at Disneyland. The kids were either too afraid or too brainwashed to take off or appeal to strangers for help (Stockholm Syndrome, right? Complicated by being kids & fear or misplaced respect for their “parents”). But last week, a 17-yo managed to get out a window with a deactivated cell phone that could still call 911 (U.S. law requires any cell phone of any age or model to be capable of calling 911). At first the police thought she was 10. Another sibling agreed to go along but chickened out – another indication of how dominated the kids were. I’d love to know how that 17-yo knew to call 911 & get the police, & I’m grateful she did.

The “parents” could end up in prison for life if convicted, & it isn’t going to be an easy life. Even the most vicious convicted felons detest child abusers more than any other class of criminal.

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General Discussion / Re: What Kind Of Pets Do You Have?
« on: January 18, 2018, 01:23:53 am »
Bring your critters to the Cabin to meet our animals. That’s on the General Discussion forum, & started out as the Cabin & Porch on Old Nauvoo. It's a place to relax, visit with people or just hang out. Anyone is welcome as long as they’re peaceful, don’t cause trouble or talk politics, help keep up the joint, bring food occasionally, & help take care of the pets.

We have several critters brought or adopted by Incabitants: Hound (maybe basset, beagle, or some mixture), Annabelle (big gray cat who loves water), Punkin (my lively, often mischievous orange cat), Pepper (Catahoula mix, a rescue dog who can’t see), Dreyfuss (white Maremma sheepdog), Ivie (tuxedo kitty adopted from Salt Lake animal care as a rescue). Others are spirit critters – their owners are or were Incabitants & the animals came to us after crossing the rainbow bridge: Oberon & Tellulah (Laurie’s cats), Teazer (Goody’s cat), Mandee Meree (V's cat - she was a favorite Incabitant who has passed), & PattyRain’s guinea pig (not sure of the name). A spirit calf named Belle sometimes hangs out in the open areas outside the Cabin – she belonged to Gracie, an Old Nauvoo neighbor.

BTW, they are all non-allergenic, so anyone can pet them, keep them on your lap for hours, or let them onto your bed, & they won’t give you the wheezes. We have Science Diet for them but they don’t mind if you sneak some chopped cooked meat or fish or a few spoonfuls of soup into their dishes (there’s one communal cat dish & one communal dog dish, but they all eat from both :P). And Punkin loves fruit, but it has to be cut small & not cold right from the fridge. 

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