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Creative Corner / Re: Throw-together recipes
« on: January 11, 2018, 02:46:46 am »
Hot spiced apple cider, no recipe needed (vary ingredients according to taste):

Bottled apple juice, desired amount
2-3 cinnamon sticks per quart of juice
2-3 cloves per quart, lightly bruised
Nutmeg and/or allspice (optional, to taste)
1 tsp real maple syrup per quart
Fresh apple, favorite variety, thinly sliced (I like tart apples)

Put juice in saucepan with cinnamon sticks & cloves, nutmeg or allspice if desired (add gradually & check for taste). Heat but don’t boil, stir in maple syrup, simmer about 15 minutes stirring occasionally, & let sit for 5 minutes. Before serving, put a couple of thin apple wedges in each mug. Pour cider into mugs.

Variation: Add 7-8 fresh crushed cranberries per quart of juice before heating, & distribute the berries into the mugs along with apple slices before serving.
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: January 10, 2018, 01:22:35 am »
Scruffy, how is Sister Scruffy doing? I hope she’s continued to mend well. The flu is especially wicked here this year & it seems half the people I know have had it. I may have just had it, or perhaps it was a bad cold, but it was an unpleasant couple of weeks. Anyone with pneumonia, bronchitis, or other nasty respiratory ailments has my sympathy. :(

If anyone is ailing that I don’t know about, you’ll be in my prayers as “Sick Nauvoodle.” I know the Lord will know who that is.

All of California would appreciate any spare prayers. Nature bashed us again. The major wildfire in Ventura County that began in early December, & became the largest ever in California, was finally put under total containment a few days ago. New Year’s weekend & we’re fighting wildfires  ::) . We hadn’t had huge rainstorms in a few weeks, but then one moved over the entire state over the last two days, with 7-10 inches of rain in some places. And because the wildfires in Ventura County (near Santa Barbara, north of Los Angeles, for those who don’t know California) were so recent, there hasn’t been new plant growth to replace what was burned, & the soil is in bad shape, & there’s ash & loose fire debris instead of buildings on foundations, & you name it, overall conditions were ripe for disaster. And it happened last night while folks were asleep – like in Santa Rosa where the wildfire sprang up in the middle of the night & dozens of people never had a chance. IIRC, Santa Barbara or Ventura county was where Jacaré used to live; I don’t remember which town.

At least 13 people are dead. More probably, once the searches are complete. Any prayers may help people needing help or needing comfort.


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General Discussion / Re: Grades in Elementary School
« on: January 09, 2018, 05:15:55 pm »
It seems that everyone pretty much agrees – it does students or parents no good to be deceived about how well a child is doing in school. I can only speak from a non-professional viewpoint, since I am not a schoolteacher & don’t have kids.

This seems to be part of what we sometimes disparagingly call “social promotion,” where kids are continually advanced in school even if their abilities & their product do not merit moving them to a higher grade. We all know of teachers who give “courtesy C’s” to keep kids moving along even if they can’t read, write, form a sentence, express themselves orally, add, or subtract. In many cases, I’m sure teachers do it partly to keep parents happy, partly to get rid of problem pupils, & partly to avoid tangling with certain politically correct attitudes that affect not only education but every area of American society – one of which is that equality has to mean equal outcomes.

As students keep getting promoted while their skills and achievements lag further & further, they end up in 7th or 8th grade with minus-4th grade verbal or math skills. Such young people have a good chance of becoming dropouts, unemployed & probably unemployable, & ultimately, because they were too much of a problem for a 3rd grade teacher to deal with, they become problems for the police, juvenile & superior courts, any employers or military services that take a chance on them, health & welfare agencies, neighbors, & the people they end up marrying or cohabbing & their future children.

I went to school in a time when teachers actually did give failing grades, & I knew students who were not promoted & had to repeat a grade. I know I felt bad for them – some were friends of mine. And I wonder what has become of some of them now. Back then, it wasn’t that humane: a kid was flunked, period. There has to be a kinder, gentler way of doing it, & it must never be a surprise – students (& their parents) have a right to know all year how they are progressing. But it is not humane to keep telling kids, or just passively making them believe, that they are doing fine when they are not, & that has lifelong consequences perhaps even worse than the year-long unhappiness & embarrassment of having to repeat a grade.
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News of the Church / President Monson has earned his rest
« on: January 03, 2018, 06:48:52 am »
President Monson passed on Tuesday night at home at age 90.

We will remember him for his tireless work as God's servant, a minister to all in spiritual or temporal need, and the face of the Church to millions of people around the world. He  truly lost himself in the service of the Lord and his brothers and sisters. I am sure that as he crossed over, he was comforted by hearing "Well done, thou good and faithful servant; welcome home."
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General Discussion / Re: Christmas Eve ~ Christmas Day
« on: December 26, 2017, 07:30:47 pm »
Belated Christmas greetings to all! I joined several friends on sick call the past few days. It doesn't feel like the flu, but it's a pretty cr*ppy cold. I ditched a couple of social commitments & didn't even leave the house from Friday to today, & I slept most of Christmas & ate chicken soup & watermelon. My best friend texted me today (she can't talk because her throat is sore) & said she hasn't been out of the house in days either. Hers sounds more like the flu, like being confined to the bathroom at times  :(. She had family over, & she kicked them out early to go to the movies or the zoo to get them out of her hair.

In some ways, it's handy to be sick on holidays because then you don't have to socialize, ha ha ;) . IRL, that is - socializing here with Nauvoodle friends is great :)  .  For instance, I still got to host the Christmas Eve open house at the Cabin, make the food, hang out with everyone & not worry about cootie-sharing, play with the pets & not get wheezy, etc. 8)

I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas, got to see all the loved ones you wanted to & none of the ones you didn't. ;D
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General Discussion / Re: Cabin & Porch
« on: December 23, 2017, 11:06:17 pm »
I know it looks like the Cabin has been deserted, but 'tain’t so. Folks have been coming & going, hanging out, socializing, making sure the critters get TLC, & helping decorate. We have a wreath on the door, the big tree in the living room window, & a smaller one for the critters in their corner off to the right. We have a small fire in the fireplace & the pets’ stockings are hung there. Feel free to add a treat like mini snacks or small toys, but please don’t let them catch you, & treat them equally.

I can see down the hill where traffic is coming & going on last-minute shopping. Many Target. Walmart, Sears, Macy’s, & other big stores are open until midnight. Up here, it's nice, quiet, & cozy with no traffic or noise. There’s a little snow, but we can use more – after the fabulous winter we had last year, some folks in California are starting to whisper the “D-word” again. Pray for snow. Hound is chewing on someone’s slipper that was left here, Punkin is sitting in the window studying the constellations, & Ivie is trying to get me out of this chair.

Nauvoodles are invited to the Cabin open house tomorrow (Christmas Eve) after church, which I think is just Sacrament meeting for everyone. Starting around 2:00 p.m., drop by to socialize & enjoy Tabs’ music & a mug of hot spiced cider. If you can come later, we’ll have a light buffet about 5:30 with ham, turkey, croissants, rolls, & other sandwich fixings, crudités, & the famous Cabin Christmas Tree Jello Salad (yup, lime with fruits & nuts, Christmas lights made of strawberries, & snow made of coconut flakes). Afterward, stay & enjoy videos of “Mr. Krueger’s Christmas,” “Amahl & the Night Visitors,” & “The Fourth Wise Man,” marshmallow roasting, cocoa, & snuggles from the pets.
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: December 23, 2017, 07:48:15 pm »
Jana is a lot closer to this & probably knows exactly who said what. So I’ll just post it without comment. If it’s fake news, she can clarify. ;D


And there are ways to wish people Merry Christmas without politicizing it or pushing it in anyone’s face. We live in a country with Judaeo-Christian origins that is becoming more diverse, & there isn’t any need for any politician (or any person) to make holiday greetings confrontational, or single out non-Christians (in some politician-speak, read immigrants), or call attention to all these folks who don’t believe in Christ – many of whom act more "Christian" than some public figures who make a big spectacle of being Christian.

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News of the Church / Re: Leave those folks alone
« on: December 21, 2017, 10:23:19 pm »
It would be easy enough to say that to other Christians, who believe in Jesus Christ & in baptism for salvation – they just don’t believe it applies to the dead. But they can identify doctrinally with the principle. Most Christian churches also follow the Great Commission given in Matthew 28:19-20 (& in Mark & Luke in different words). So some of them can also identify, even if only conceptually, with the idea that baptism for the dead is a form of missionary work.

It would also be easy to say that to atheists, since they don’t believe in religion or any deity & so nothing any religion does should matter to them.

It’s a different issue for Jews. Should they have special consideration in the matter of proxy baptisms that other people don’t get? I think they should.

Jews don’t believe in Christ as the Messiah & don’t practice baptism, so this must feel like a greater imposition to them. More than any other religion or pretty much any people in history, Jews have been at risk of extermination. Either their physical existence or their religious identity has been threatened, from Pharaoh, Haman, & Herod in the Bible to the Crusades to Hitler & some of today’s extremists, including some “Americans.” In medieval times, anti-Semitism was rampant all over Europe even into the British Isles. Jews were vilified as Christ-killers, accused of defiling the Host (the Communion wafer) & of murdering Christian infants to get their blood for use in making Passover matzoh & other religious rituals, & dehumanized with stories of Shylock or the Wandering Jew, who legend says mocked the Savior on the cross & was doomed to wander the world forever without rest until the Second Coming. Medieval Jews were often forced to hide their religious observances, pretend they were Christian, take part in Christian rituals to avoid unwanted attention, or actually be baptized into Christianity.

Many of the offenses against Jews through history have overt or veiled religious connections. In fact, even Shylock has his origins in scripture. In the Diaspora, Jews often did practice usury, money lending at high interest, pawn brokering, or other business activities that were looked down on, because those occupations were scorned by many Christians. Deuteronomy 23 says: “Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury… Unto a stranger thou mayest lend upon usury; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon usury.” Many Christians took that literally, so they wouldn't become bankers. And Jews reasoned that they could be bankers to Christians, but to each other they either had to give or to lend freely. Any small underdog minority would do the same – like Mormons in Missouri in 1838. Naturally, this made the majority unhappy & fed their prejudices.

I think it’s understandable that Jews would be extra sensitive about any Christian religion’s actions, even well intentioned, that even remotely or subconsciously remind them of those bad old days. And as the only religion that has had a Haman or a Herod in government office come after us in the United States, we should make every effort to respect the Jews' sensitivity.
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: December 20, 2017, 09:20:19 am »
I'm really sorry to hear this. You both will be in my prayers.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Chick-Fila-A opens on Sunday!!!
« on: December 19, 2017, 09:30:00 pm »
Look what has become a big deal in some media accounts.  :D

Chick-Fil-A outlets are closed on Sundays, because the owners are Christian & believe their employees (of whatever religion) should have a day off just for rest & family life. And it’s been all over the media about how they responded when the mayor of Atlanta called last Sunday when all the electricity went out at the huge, busy airport, & the company sent employees to prepare food for thousands of stranded travelers.


This is another case of how some people zero in on one aspect of Christian belief or practice & miss or ignore the rest, whether from honest misunderstanding or an attempt to trap Christians the way the Pharisees tried to do. I like to think most people simply don’t totally understand how the higher law has fulfilled the law of Moses & made us responsible for using our agency & the guidance of the Spirit in matters that aren’t necessarily “black or white.”

The Lord said it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath (it’s one of our 25 #LighttheWorld themes) & the Sabbath was made for man, not the reverse. IOW, the Sabbath was given to us as a blessing from God & not meant to be a burden. Christ healed the sick, & He & the apostles picked corn (or wheat, pistachios, figs, whatever it was that grew in the Mediterranean) to eat on the Sabbath. He taught that the higher law makes it clear that taking care of people (or rescuing your critters from the mire) takes priority even if it may not match the exact letter of the law.
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: December 07, 2017, 01:17:22 am »
I see that KQ just posted, so I'll just reply instead of editing.

Prayers & good thoughts going your way, KQ. I'm glad you're safe for now, & hope & pray the weather cooperates & the fire crews can get some containment tonight while it's cooler & the winds are calmer.

P.S. Ketchupqueen, did you move? I thought you lived farther east.
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Justice Kennedy seems conflicted about the Colorado wedding cake case.


I think it’s a good thing that he seems to feel conflicted. This case is one that should cause thinking, caring people to feel conflicted. In the political & social environment we inhabit, too many people do NOT feel conflicted about some of the major issues of the day, & boil down every single issue to their opinion (right) & everyone who disagrees (wrong). Too many people, probably in imitation of the highest political figures in the land in the executive & legislative branches, believe that only their position is correct, any opposition is entirely wrong, & they must totally defeat, obliterate, & humiliate their rivals to be able to claim victory.

Many of us will tend to sympathize more with one side or the other on the cake case. One of the points made in the Religious Liberty conference that we attended recently was that all sides need to be respectful & willing to compromise on some things. Both sides of this case are humans who have strong beliefs, principles, & opinions that should be respected. Both have certain inalienable constitutional rights as American citizens, & the Supreme Court needs to decide how each can have maximum recognition of those rights while doing the least possible harm to the other. Both sides have some legitimate points, & both have areas where they could be more reasonable & accommodating toward the other. Neither side needs to (or should) win a total victory, because that would mean those on the other side will have some of their rights trampled.

It isn’t easy, & I don’t envy the justices. I’m sorry the courts have often become an extension of the divisiveness, intolerance, & conflict that are increasingly part of our political scene. I hope they can make a wise decision free from the emotional arguments of either side or their own political or philosophical leanings. I hope they can actually perform the duties the judicial branch is supposed to do: interpret the law, check & balance the other two branches, & bring the perspective of knowledge & experience with the law & constitutional issues that many in the other two branches do not have & clearly demonstrate they do not have.
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: December 05, 2017, 11:17:30 pm »
Can you believe it is three weeks to Christmas & the California wildfire season is not over? :(

We’re sorry to ask for more prayers, but they are needed again, two months after the North Bay/Wine Country wildfires killed 44 people & destroyed 9,000 homes. The offshore winds picked up yesterday & fanned what might have been small fires into infernos that have destroyed scores of buildings & caused thousands to evacuate. These are from the east, called Santa Ana winds in SoCal or Diablo’s in the north, which bring warm, dry air instead of the moisture carried by ocean winds.

Now it is Southern California, with several separate fires. One is in Ventura County & has put 27,000 people on mandatory evacuation, & burned a private psychiatric hospital to the ground (everyone was rescued). Another is in the San Fernando Valley, the northern part of Los Angeles (IINM, this is about 20 miles from the Ketchup family); the area borders on the Angeles National Forest, which burns with fairly predictable frequency. Another is in San Bernardino, also in an area bordering a national forest.

As is customary, fire crews from the state & local departments all over California are on the way. In such cases, they drive to the command centers in rigs from their own agencies to be given assignments. If you’re visiting California & traveling on main roads like I-5 or 395, do not be surprised if you see fire rigs from Fresno, Oakland, San Francisco, Salinas, or Sacramento heading south. The official end of wildfire season is in November, & now seasonals are having to be recalled. Santa Rosa, the Sonoma County city hit hardest in October, is among the cities sending firefighters; they said they had received help from all over the state & now it’s their turn to help.
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:'(  What a horrible, heartbreaking story. That poor child, being tormented & living with it all that time, being able to share only part of the truth with her folks & getting no remedy from the school. And then having to feel guilty about how her death would affect her family. I don't have kids & can't imagine what this family has endured, so all I can do is hope & pray that parents will be able to talk to their kids, encourage them to confide stuff like this, & fight like hell to be sure school authorities protect all kids from bullying.

>:(  And to the school officials who let this child down, all I can say is you let this child down, & if you didn't do enough to stop the bullying & the bullies, you're complicit in her death. Now the least you can do for her family is to respond appropriately to this continued torturing of them by the bullies.

Where this happened is not far from CrowGirl & Libertygranny. I bet they know more about the case than a syndicated news service would. CrowGirl & Libertygranny, give your kids & grandkids a hug & let them know they need to share stuff like this when they or someone they know is being victimized.

I typically think minors who commit non-violent or non-felony offenses (like misdemeanor shoplifting or graffiti, etc.) should have their identities protected. What these bullies are doing doesn't fit that category. Anyone who deliberately sets out to torment other people, especially people already suffering, doesn't deserve the privacy protection given to low-risk juvenile offenders. I'm with Roper: Let the public know who they are, with their school yearbook pictures if available.
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Mormon Life / Re: Who does one contact about this?
« on: November 30, 2017, 10:17:53 am »
Oooh, I know where the Ketchup family is going & what a good time they're going to have. Enjoy!   :)
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