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Please Read / New Nauvoo Charter - please read and abide by
« on: September 17, 2019, 03:48:09 am »
The following charter has been drawn up by members of the forum for members of the forum to abide by in their discussions. Please ensure that you have read it, and follow its principles when posting here and New Nauvoo.

The Nauvoo Charter

As members of this Nauvoo forum, we share the experiences of life and service as disciples of Jesus Christ. We learn from each other to better serve our Lord and our brothers and sisters. The charter states our core beliefs and convictions as the foundation of our community. The charter also states expectations in conduct and communication. While all members are not required to share core beliefs, all members are required to adhere to the stated standards of conduct and communication. Violation of standards may result in warnings, suspension, or expulsion as determined by forum moderators.

We believe that God is our Eternal Father and that we are His children. In all of our communication and interactions, we treat each other as children of God.

We believe that Jesus Christ is our Savior. We seek to conduct ourselves as disciples of Christ.
We believe that the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the organization of His church were restored through the prophet Joseph Smith. We sustain the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators. We support them as having authority to receive revelation to guide the Church. In exploring and discussing gospel doctrines and church policies, we proceed with the premise that prophets are inspired leaders called to speak for the Lord.

We participate in Nauvoo as equals. We bring to forum discussions such knowledge and ideas as we have gained through study and experience; however, we do not seek special privilege for our ideas. We may demonstrate our ideas with reference to scripture or to the published teachings of latter-day prophets, as well as through personal experiences and our own best reasoning; however, if our sources must remain private, then we should not contribute to the discussion.

We respect the fact that members come from a variety of backgrounds and experiences and have differences in interpretation and opinion. We may prefer our own ideas and feel them to be well-supported by scripture and by latter-day prophets. At all times, we humbly admit that our own understanding may be limited, and that further light and knowledge will increase our understanding.

We avoid the spirit of contention. If we think that another’s ideas are contrary to the gospel, we do not strive to prevail in a debate or to argue that person into silence or submission. We set forth our own understanding with patience and kindness. As disciples of Christ, we are merciful to each other and assume that members speak and act with the best of motives.

We keep sacred those things which belong in the temple. We do not publicly discuss temple covenants. We do not quote temple teachings unless they can be found in scriptural sources which can be cited.

We welcome and encourage inclusive communication which expresses compassion, regard, and humor. We avoid divisive communication which expresses sarcasm, cruelty, and light-mindedness about sacred things. We refrain from using language that is generally regarded as coarse or blasphemous.

We seek unity, not division, among us. We emphasize our commonalities over our differences.

Welcome to Nauvoo!
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Please Read / Re: New Nauvoo Charter
« on: September 16, 2019, 04:10:04 am »

Taking each of your questions, the following would be my preference. And, excepting any seriously opposing comments, I will enact later today.

Do we need to do a formal poll so we have a recorded vote?

I don't believe so. Anyone invested in this process has had their say. Anyone who chose not to, by their silence, has consented.

Does the charter get moved to a new thread as read only?

I will created a Thread in this section that is pinned and locked. There need be no comment on it - it is solely for information.

Do we keep the revision thread or move it to a new place?

I think it can stay for a while - for informational purposes. It probably wants to be locked - no further discussion could be considered useful, IMO.

What about the discussions of the politics thread which started this process?

I see little use for it now there is a Charter.

As I said, this will become "Policy" later today if there are no serious objections. This has gone on for quite some time. I think all that needs to be said, and been said. And since we have had two new members this weekend, needs to be acted upon.
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News of the Church / Re: Temple
« on: January 08, 2019, 04:27:03 am »
I just feel the need to step in here with my other moniker.

As an admin here, and as a Temple Ordinance worker of 25 years, and as a priesthood leader of 30+ years, and as someone who has taught temple preparation for almost that entire time.

I do not believe that anyone has overstepped the mark on what may be discussed in terms of the sacred nature of the endowment. No specific wording, no signs, tokens or names.

For me, or at least the real Andrew R., being able to discuss these matters with different people that I have come to respect as much as, and possibly more than, the members of my own ward, is of great worth in my spiritual journey. Be assured that if someone does overstep one of the Admins will take steps.
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: The House of Israel
« on: April 03, 2017, 04:36:10 am »
As with all teaching and learning - the effectiveness is going to be based on the effect put in, by both the teacher and the students.

I think Come, Follow Me is an excellent way to teach youth and invite them to receive, and build, their testimonies. It should be having them engage with the scriptures, and finding out for themselves. However, unless a teacher is prepared to be prepared a month in advance, and really understand how their lessons with flow - and with the AP and YW lessons - it will fail. Assignments to read, and report can be properly given, with plenty of time.

Seminary is where the youth should be getting the in depth scriptural study - and Seminary teachers should be involved in the Come, Follow Me programme too.

Unfortunately - and this is just an observation, and is not everyone - often members put into their callings an amount of effect proportional to the status they perceive in the calling (especially men). So, a man who put all the hours he had into being bishop puts less than one a week into being a youth Sunday School teacher. Result being, not much!

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General Discussion / Re: Music For the Season
« on: December 13, 2016, 11:56:22 am »
There is not much that beats the Choir of King's College, Cambridge.


I love traditional carols.
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General Discussion / Re: Mental health issues are some of the worst
« on: October 28, 2016, 05:40:50 am »
angryfying sounds like more of a word than ponderizing
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John 20:27
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Seems side is mentioned in the NT as well.
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He will have a very good Mission President. President Donaldson is a Seminary and Institute Coordinator (on sabbatical). He is a former Stake President and Area Seventy. He was S&I for some of my children in both Seminary and Institute and I have known him for about 15 years. His first counsellor is also a former Area Seventy. He will be in good hands.
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I for one will not be voting for either of them!  ;)
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: Did God really authorize it?
« on: September 17, 2016, 04:38:42 am »
That reasoning denies the power of Christ's gospel. 

Christ's gospel was not operational at that time. The Israelites lived under the Law of Carnal Commandments. They did not have the Gift of the Holy Ghost, they did not do Missionary Work per se. They were however, remarkably able to adopt the religions and religious practices of those around them. Keeping their religion pure was vital to the plans of Heavenly Father. I have no problem with the idea that God knows what is best and if this "ethnic cleansing" was required that it happened. I am sure that it was provided for in God's plans and that the eternal salvation of those effected was not effected by this - how that will be accomplished I do not know.
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Forum and Member News / Re: My nephew and niece
« on: July 09, 2016, 07:36:58 pm »
I have pinned this to the top of the list so that it can be found. I will remove the pin in a few weeks.
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Forum and Member News / Happy Birthday to Scruffydog
« on: June 15, 2016, 11:34:10 am »
Many happy returns of the day to you.
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Technical Talk / Re: Position
« on: June 07, 2016, 04:16:18 am »
How about:-

Confirmed Member
Endowed Member
Sealed Member
Enduring to the End
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Writers' Welcome / Re: I'm not a writer, but I would like to be.
« on: April 03, 2016, 09:44:38 am »
I have added a "Writing Critique" section. Post in there with a file attachment of your work. Ask what you want to receive feed back on, and if you want it by private message or in the thread.
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Mormon Life / Re: Rules on Baby Blessings
« on: April 01, 2016, 05:38:44 am »
  There does not need to be a bishop in the circle.  Since your child is BIC, you have the right to have a record created regardless of where or if you bless your child.  As CrowMan just said, It's not the bishop's kid, it's yours. 

You are correct, in this instance a bishopric member is not required to be in the circle. However, the ordinance is under the direction of the bishop, and no one is authorised to perform the ordinance without the bishop's approval - especially if the ordinance is to be performed outside of a regular sacrament meeting, in the home unit.

Also, "It's not the bishop's kid" applies to Confirmation - however, per section 20.3.9 "At least one member of the bishopric participates in this ordinance."

Priesthood power, authority and keys come into play, and it is important to remember this. I don't always agree with some of the policies, but I do uphold them.

I recently went to the temple with my son. He was receiving his endowment. I am, and have been for 22 years, and ordinance worker. I blessed, baptised, confirmed and ordained (4 times) my son. But per temple policies I was not allowed to wash him. I think this is nuts, but that's how it is.

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