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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: masks in church
« on: Today at 06:49:19 pm »
Wow, Redd! We never stopped singing, though it was only one verse for quite a while. I'm glad you all can sing again. Sing hallelujah to the Lord!
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: masks in church
« on: Today at 02:47:22 pm »
We were given the green light to start singing again!!!!  The books were taken out at the beginning of Covid, but our Stake Pres has greenlighted singing if we use our own electronic devices. I have never heard our ward, or at least the  near 50% that can attend now, sing so loud.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 11, 2021, 05:10:18 pm »
Yes Andrew, indeed, the Netherlands first constitution dates to the 1500's , the most modern takes its cues from the French,  the law system is different from the US and, the government is a constitutional monarchy  that behaves in  many ways .ike a social democracy. 

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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 10, 2021, 01:31:25 pm »
I listened to President Oakes talk last night and didn't really hear anything controversial or groundbreaking as far as church doctrine goes.  Perhaps it is an attempt to draw people back who have been practicing their politics with a religious fervor.

Sadly, from what I and some family members have seen, those 'who have been practicing their politics with a religious fervor' cherry picked the statements they wanted to hear and now feel even more justified.
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News of the Church / Re: Changes in the handbook
« on: April 10, 2021, 01:21:52 pm »
My guess is that in areas with more sparse priesthood holders (like Europe), they didn't have or enforce that policy because they didn't have the latitude to do so. It was considered more of a 'best practice' kind of thing. And now that SO many are single or divorced here, we have a similar paucity of married, worthy priesthood holders.
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News of the Church / Re: Changes in the handbook
« on: April 09, 2021, 12:45:06 am »
It could be then the policy never reached Europe 😁. Like said, some 20 years ago my young single brother and husband servedvin bishoprics and high councils. 18 years ago when my husband was a bishop one of his councellors was a single divorced man. Often in the Stake YM presidency as well as YW has been young single people. Etc...

I think still a single man cannot serve as a bishop. And I can understand that. Quite often the issues people want to talk about are marital and about children. It may be more comfortable for the bishop to discuss those having some idea about it. But more so, for the role I think it is important for the bishop have someone as close as a spouse to be there for the support.
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News of the Church / Re: Changes in the handbook
« on: April 08, 2021, 06:50:40 pm »
I think it was policy back then, because I remember it from when I lived in Delaware and Maryland, a far cry from Texas and Idaho!
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News of the Church / Re: Changes in the handbook
« on: April 08, 2021, 01:56:12 pm »
In my experience, single members were discouraged in bishoprics except for YSA/student wards. In fact, I was told it was forbidden until my early 20s. I know it was only a few years ago that they started allowing single or divorced persons be hired as CES instructors. I know of an amazing, faithful man that was released from his stake YM leadership role the second he was divorced (his wife had left the church and was not very nice, so it was not even a 50/50 fault thing).

I'm sure part of the issue is Idaho Mormon culture, but it's definitely a thing.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 07, 2021, 10:56:37 am »
It's a talk very much designed to have every Church member asking, "Lord, is it I?"

I was incredibly happy to watch Elder Oaks' talk Sunday.  It was like a refreshing breath of normalcy, after a pandemic-and-social-unrest-fueled year of grief.  In the last year, I've interacted with people who are giving serious thought to, or even vigorously pushing, notions like:

- The constitution is (at best) outdated/needs to be replaced, or (at worst) is evil/needs to be actively resisted.
- Separation of powers should be discarded when people feel it's justified.
- People should not be treated as equal citizens in the eyes of the law.  Government should make things harder for some people, and easier for others, for various reasons.
- Pulling down statues of people who created and preserved our constitution, and burning what some consider our sacred institutions to the ground, is a worthy goal long overdue.

I'm grateful to hear from folks like Jason, who considered Oaks' remarks to be so self-evident as to be almost boring.  You don't have to cross too many sociopolitical lines to find how not everyone sees it that way.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 06, 2021, 02:30:13 pm »
It was very much addressing a pervasive cultural problem in the United States that has lead and is leading to members being unnecessarily (and non-doctrinally) othered and made to feel unwelcome in their own Church.

It's telling everyone no matter what their political persuasion is, to "Stop it."

It's a talk very much designed to have every Church member asking, "Lord, is it I?"
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 06, 2021, 02:02:03 pm »
I listened to President Oakes talk last night and didn't really hear anything controversial or groundbreaking as far as church doctrine goes.  Perhaps it is an attempt to draw people back who have been practicing their politics with a religious fervor.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 06, 2021, 08:56:15 am »
I am hoping that Andrew but sometimes  my assignments feel like just going down the list of talks so I have had challenges.

Full disclosure edit: I just prepped Love Your Enemies from D.H.Oaks in the October Conference. I did not even try to figure our what to do with over a third of the talk  about laws, riots, protests....which apply to zero of my sisters.  But at least there was enough about reforming  adversarial relationships and hate that plenty of nonpolitical non government discussion can be had.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 06, 2021, 07:58:35 am »
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Perhaps my reaction is more that I am terrified of teaching that talk in my RS.

I am struggling to know why you would have to.

I'm EQP in my ward, so I get to decide which talks we cover. There are a maximum of 12 in six months. I will not be choosing this one since it not really relevant to my UK based quorum. It would need to be changed so much to fit with our political system as to make it pointless.

Surely your RSP will think the same.
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General Conference / Re: April 2021 General Conference
« on: April 06, 2021, 07:26:05 am »
Cook,
Perhaps my reaction is more that I am terrified of teaching that talk in my RS.  I relistened and relistened and honestly, as wonderful as the talk is crafted to walk the minefield of American church populations, teach all of us how crucial the Constitution was and is for the   reorganization of Christ's church then and the protection and prosperity of American church members now, I personally  am not really a fan of teaching my aged Dutch sisters the wonders of the sacred American document.
I hope it won't be on my assigned list.

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News of the Church / Re: Changes in the handbook
« on: April 06, 2021, 12:15:26 am »
I think there was cultural expectations that young single adults would not be called in too many leadership positions. They were probably seen more as advanced youth groups rather than fully functioning adults. This wasn't done by everyone, but it was enough of a cultural thing to be noticed.
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