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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 19, 2019, 12:02:33 pm »
My thoughts about one possible solution:

Provide businesses an incentive to pay better wages. If a business employs an hourly worker full time and pays that worker at least $15/hour, then that worker is eligible to enroll in Medicaid for health insurance.

I think it's a good compromise to the single-issue extremes which are being proposed.

In a few years: If a business employs an hourly worker full time at $20/hour, then that worker is eligible for Medicaid AND 128 credits of free tuition at a public college or university.

Businesses get a more educated, healthy, and productive work force. Government gets more tax revenue. The people at the lowest economic level have a path upwards. Huzzah! A win-win-win!  ;D

Whatever the solution, the costs need to shared. Corporations can't bear the entire burden. Neither can taxpayers.

I have lots of other ideas about retirement programs, family leave, etc. But this is a good place to start  ;)
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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 19, 2019, 11:22:47 am »
Guaranteed basic income is a consideration of human nature. I'm sure there are people who would move up the pyramid of Maslow's hierarchy if all of their time wasn't spent just trying to survive. I'm happy to support that. I'm also sure there are people who would spend all their time playing Fortnite or using social media because they share a house or an apartment and wouldn't have to work. I definitely don't want to enable that. So, if enacted, basic income would need to have some kind of accountability measure attached. Otherwise, I'm of the opinion that I can better decide how to charitably use the money I earn.

Edit: I think guaranteed basic income is a questionable solution to the living wage problem. In a more just and equitable world, businesses would be grateful for all the public help they've received to make them successful. In turn, they would pay their employees well. That's not reality. Businesses receive all kinds of public investment, then they do things like close factories and move to cheaper overseas labor markets. They employ part-time workers so they don't have to pay benefits. They rely on contract workers for the same reason. It's all in the name of maximizing value for shareholders. Businesses which operate with a conscience, which treat their employees well, are few. No business would survive or even exist without the public investments we have all made. Let's hold businesses accountable to give a return on investment in the form of better employee compensation.
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Forum and Member News / Re: Baby blessing
« on: July 19, 2019, 11:09:33 am »
Gee, thanks, y'all. I think Ben (papa) is a pretty good looking kid, so thanks for what I take as a compliment. Sarah-Grace isn't too sure about Evren, yet. She just goes up to him and says, "See a baby." Then she tries to poke his face.
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Forum and Member News / Baby blessing
« on: July 14, 2019, 11:30:44 pm »
The little dude in the white tuxedo is Evren, my first grandson. He was blessed today. He's got a kind of "Godfather" vibe going on...

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Mormon Life / Re: Giving wrong examples?
« on: July 13, 2019, 03:57:38 am »
Dyany, I am sure what the writer writes is real where she has experienced it. I don't disagree with that. I read her implying it happens like that everywhere. That is one of the things I disagree with, the assumption that because it happens in X and Y it happens everywhere.

I do think we can sometimes see people "following a bad example". But I don't agree with the problem being the bad example, because in each case, like in this, there is also something good to be taken from it. In this case it could be that one who does not like to talk or want to talk does it anyway, when asked. If it happens that people have started joking about it, when so many do, there may be many reasons to it. I think the most common ones would be the desire to "be like everyone else" or "trying to be funny" (if you thought it was funny the first time you heard it) or "I have no idea what the point of a talk is so I just copy what I've heard others say".  I don't consider any of those as following a bad example.

My observation - very limited - is that in general, in the US mormon culture there is an aspect of "trying to be like everyone else" and keep up with the Jones's. Certainly I may be wrong.

I remember on my mission when the mission president talked how we shouldn't use the phrase "I know with every fiber of my being". I thought who on earth would say such a thing. Turns out many did, because a prophet or an apostle had at some point - I think quite a while ago - said so and people had started copying it. It's just not a thing in some other places, to try to say and do things someone else - in a position - have said or done.
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Mormon Life / Re: Giving wrong examples?
« on: July 12, 2019, 01:21:31 pm »
Many years ago, I was in a ward where the bishop gave a sacrament meeting talk about how to give good sacrament meeting talks. The talks improved for several months after that. Then they started to go back to the way they were. Maybe we all need training about every six months  :D
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Doctrines & Scholarship / The lie is in the partaking
« on: July 09, 2019, 09:04:47 pm »
I'll start by saying I believe the garden narrative is allegory. I believe nakedness and trees and fruit and many other things are symbols. Here's my challenge: I don't know yet how to fully express the conceptual foundation of the allegory and the symbols, so I'm going to stick with symbols, for now.

Moses 4:11 "...in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." Well...technically...yes.


"That is the way Father got His knowledge."  BIG FAT LIE.

Father got his knowledge--ate of the fruit--by being obedient, not by doing what Satan tempted Him to do. And that's the way it is with us. We eat of the fruit and gain the knowledge of good and evil--really internalize the law--by being obedient. When we yield to temptation and shortcut obedience, we receive the consequences of sin. I believe that through Christ, we can still learn through the consequences, but it's a path different from obedience.

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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: July 05, 2019, 09:15:03 pm »
The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
Christ had this to say about such practices (Matthew 6):

1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. 2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

John the Baptist put it this way (Matthew 3):

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
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Forum and Member News / Re: Absent members / former members
« on: July 02, 2019, 12:25:58 pm »
Sitting in a parking lot, waiting for my wife to finish her doctor appointment. A man about my age walks by, wearing a Pink Floyd t-shirt. I really miss that guy.
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Creative Corner / Re: Photography
« on: June 30, 2019, 03:26:13 am »
We went to see the redwoods and stayed in Crescent City in northern California. We could hear the barking of the seals on the rocks offshore, but it was too foggy to see them. It was Sarah-Grace's first time at the beach. The feeling of the sand on her bare feet and the waves coming up to the shore kind-of freaked her out. In the end, she triumphed!

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Forum and Member News / Re: JANA IS COMING WHERE? WHEN?
« on: June 25, 2019, 10:10:08 am »
Last year, when JanaLynn stayed with us, we had a picnic up in Santaquin Canyon. The fires, followed heavy snow and rapid spring runoff, caused landslides. The lower part of the canyon has re-opened, so Sam and I had to go exploring. This is the table where he had lunch with his Dutch Oma.

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General Discussion / Re: Current Events - US Politics Edition
« on: June 23, 2019, 11:49:30 pm »
One thing that has frustrated me with politics is that politicians do not seem to understand nuance and alternative points of view. But I know politicians are generally well educated people with above average IQs. I have to believe they understand nuance and alternative points of view. It is just that in the field of politics, they must pick a position and stick with it 100%. They will build strawmen arguments, such as anti-abortion advocates are simply men who want to keep women down, instead of admitting that there are moral considerations about when individual life and rights actually begin.

The politician who simply acknowledges that he/she can see my point of view, but believes that the counter points weigh heavier, is one that would win my vote nearly every time. But that is also a politician who does not get elected in the primaries and general elections, and they will get called a flip flopper and a compromiser when they compromise on some items to get other items passed.

I feel that the all or nothing rhetoric that dominates our lives has spilled over into the media, which has found that all or nothing rhetoric drives their ratings and profits, which perpetuates this cycle.

Some movie companies have chosen to pick abortion and Georgia as their red line. What drives 50% of the country crazy is not that they picked this battle, but instead that they wear blinders to their own hypocrisy. If they even acknowledged that they cannot right all wrongs, but only have limited power, and have chosen to use the power that they have to fight for what they believe is right in this one location, then I would have much more respect for them. They would not be hypocritical, as they would have truthfully acknowledged that they can't change the entire world.
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General Discussion / Re: Shocked in the foyer
« on: June 23, 2019, 12:08:42 am »
"See something, say something."

There may be nothing to this, it may be perfectly legit, & maybe everyone in a leadership role knew all about it. But you didn't & it seemed "off" to you (as it did to many of us here, & maybe still does). So you did the responsible thing & brought it to the attention of someone to whose territory it belongs. I think you needn't worry about it anymore. :)
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Doctrines & Scholarship / Re: Cultural learning and King Benjamin
« on: June 19, 2019, 03:31:35 pm »
I'd summarize KB's sermon this way.  "We are all terrible at being good people.  You don't deserve salvation and you can never "earn" it, but do your best and don't worry for God's mercy will take care of the gap if you let him."
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General Discussion / Re: Just some thoughts
« on: June 19, 2019, 02:00:10 pm »
That reminds me of Elder Scott:

How can each of us become such a significant influence? We must be sure to sincerely love those we want to help in righteousness so they can begin to develop confidence in Godís love. For so many in the world, the first challenge in accepting the gospel is to develop faith in a Father in Heaven, who loves them perfectly. It is easier to develop that faith when they have friends or family members who love them in a similar way.

Giving them confidence in your love can help them develop faith in Godís love. Then through your loving, thoughtful communication, their lives will be blessed by your sharing lessons you have learned, experiences you have had, and principles you have followed to find solutions to your own struggles. Show your sincere interest in their well-being; then share your testimony of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Show love THEN testimony.  Too many people hear the testimony right away because we haven't taken the time to help them trust through our love first.
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