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Forum and Member News / Re: Hurricane Florence
« on: September 14, 2018, 11:23:27 pm »
We have communities within a few miles of us which are being evacuated because of wildfires. If we could somehow combine both disasters, they might cancel each other out  ;)
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Mormon Life / Re: PRAYER LIST
« on: September 10, 2018, 02:11:10 am »
Thank you all for the prayers.

My uncle is fine. He was hospitalized twice on my aunt and uncle's two week trip to Europe, so they got just about zero vacation out of it and they weren't able to meet up with Fahim and I, but they are home and back to normal, which we're all grateful for.
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News of the Church / Re: Church Worthiness Interviews
« on: September 08, 2018, 09:13:34 pm »
You missed understood me, I was saying that the choice part will go away and it will be mandatory the one be present. I was not clear in my wording.

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News of the Church / Re: "Saints" new History of the Church books/series
« on: September 08, 2018, 09:33:31 am »
When you're on the receiving end of the church's "mis-steps," it's not so easy to believe, "Oh well.  It will all work out in the end."
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News of the Church / Re: "Saints" new History of the Church books/series
« on: September 06, 2018, 11:21:27 pm »
Regarding that quote, what I have learned in my life over and over again is the God's timing is different. For me soon is within a week or at least within a month. Soon for God at times have been counted in years. Will not lead astray and will be removed I don't think refers to no one will teach incorrect things etc but that by the time Christ will come, the church has been led in a way that members are ready. And that on an individual level, people will gain their reward of salvation even if something has not been right in the organization or teachings.
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General Conference / Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« on: September 06, 2018, 02:33:51 pm »
I do see the point, but I also wonder how much is because of us.

I hear my mother had to run after me and sacrament meetings were a hard time when I was very young. But since I remember, I have enjoyed sacrament meeting.

As a mother - at a time with 4 children under 6 years sitting by myself because dh was a bishop - I have been surprised what the kids have got from sacrament meeting. It's always fun to see how they were/are excited when they see that someone they know better is going to give a talk.

For my family, sacrament meetings have been good. Not always easy, but worth it.
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General Conference / Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« on: September 06, 2018, 03:07:33 am »
Primary being released to go to sharing time would have significant difficulties for many others. All Primary and Nursery called people would go too. Some units only have one keyboard player - they go to Primary and sacrament meeting music is lost.

Priesthood/RS twice a month is going to reduce it to one council meeting and either the six month theme or one conference talk a month - that's just six. They want us to study conference talks.

We barely scratch the surface in Sunday school as it is.

So more mid-week stuff will possibly pop up to replace it all.

45 minute sacrament meeting would work most weeks. However if you baptised a family of four one week, and there was a baby blessing, the ordinances could take all the time for the one speaker.

I am not saying it will not happen. I am saying that it will have to come with other changes.

We already have insufficient training in the church, add to that insufficient grounding in doctrine and how to be a member and it can only go one way.
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General Conference / Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« on: September 05, 2018, 10:37:18 pm »
* (A change I don't expect but would welcome? Rather than making Sacrament Meeting shorter, following the passing and partaking of the Sacrament as a family, release the Primary children to a sharing time while the remainder of the adults remain for the talks/sermons portion of the service. This is how many other churches handle Sunday Worship services - that the children are dismissed to Children's Church during the sermon portion. There is more chance of more people being edified with less 'young child wrangling' going on for an hour in the benches)
I really like attending sacrament meeting together as a family.  We're already apart for the other two meetings.  I've been to other churches' services with friends, and that arrangement just feels odd--disconnected. I think there's a lot of value in having Sacrament meeting where families worship and learn together.  At a church meeting in a grove in Nauvoo, the ushers were ready to remove a group of rowdy boys.  Joseph Smith said, "Let the boys alone. They may hear something they will never forget." I think there are a thousand other ways to improve the spirituality of our sacrament meetings rather than sending our children away. 
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General Conference / Re: Predictions for the coming General Conference?
« on: September 05, 2018, 09:19:34 pm »
"When I was 8-12 back in 1960-1964, the Primary met in it's own room and had Sacrament passed to them there, while the adults remained in the Chapel to receive the Sacrament,  then we had a few 2 minute talks, plus our songs, then we were dismissed to our classes."

That was called Jr Sunday School, Primary met mid week in the late afternoon after school. No Sacrament was passed during Primary midweek meetings.

"Fast forward to 2002 and Primary age sits for the entire Sacrament time, partakes of the sacrament in the Chapel. When ALL the membership is dismissed - primary goes into their own room, has Sharing Time, music, goes to classes. Primary is split into Senior and Junior & Nursery. Back in 2001 I was 1st Counselor in Primary, and only had at the most 8 children during the school year, and up to 22 including visitors during the summer, we kept all the children in Sharing Time, Music -then walk by two's outside the small Meetinghouse as our Wiggle Time, and the children split off into their class rooms when we returned inside the building. We did this rain or shine. In Oregon when it rains EVERY ONE wear appropriate out door clothing. In short we become Ducks and Swans!!  ;D Worked great!"

The 3 hour block started in 1980/81. That is when they stopped having Primary midweek and was started to be held on Sundays during the 2nd and 3rd hours of Church.

I actually see the wisdom in having families stay together throughout  Sacrament meeting. I would hate for them to excuse the Primary kids to leave after the Sacrament is passed. If they did that in my ward there would be very few members left to listen to the talks because all the adults serving in Primary would also have to leave.
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Creative Corner / Re: Photography
« on: September 02, 2018, 11:22:32 pm »
Sarah-Grace is 18 months old.

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Iggy, I hope you ask around to see if any member has a scanner they would loan the exec secretary to scan them and save them digitally on a usb stick, and urge the bishop in writing to affirmatively ask whether the hard copies can then be destroyed.    The fact that you found them mixed up in the library means that they are not being treated confidentially. And that is because it is impossible to keep them all in paper form costwise or spacewise.
The new printer/copier/fax machine the branch recently bought can do all of that. Plus it can scan directly to the most recent computer next to it in the combined FamHist/Printer/RS closet of sewing materials room, that is now left UN-locked all the time. Also one can print from that computer - such as inserting a thumb drive with coloring pages downloaded from lds dot org.

Back in 1999-2000 I suggested that to the Branch Presidency [[I knew of the legal ramifications and said as much to the *Suits*]], the Branch Clerk was agreeable to setting up my all in one machine to do just that - BUT the BPresident was not in tune to that.

Don't know if that will happen now in 2018 - In 2014 I asked the Stake Sunday School President and the Stake President if the *records* could be shredded, the two 100' 10/4 outdoor power cords be moved to the tool shed next to the building, and all of the obsolete and partial electronic devices be trashed so that the HUGE cupboard could be then moved to the primary room where they really, really needed it??? Their response:: It is up to your Branch President. THAT BP was sooooooo burnt out, and we found out three years later, was headed towards a heart attack, that he didn't do much of anything. Thank heavens for his councilors - but they all thought that shredding those easily accessed records were doing fine in that unlocked cupboard.

By 2016 I had gotten the door locks reversed on the library. The lock on the inner door put on the outer door. NO one but the Branch President, Librarian and the FM had the key to the now outer lock.

I was released in 2017 - and unfortunately one Sister in the Branch got hold of the key that unlocked the top half of the outer library door and she made many copies of it and gave them to ALL of the auxiliary presidencies. Now, the Primary Secretary can unlock the top half [it is a simple Schlage door lock] and gain entry to the library.

The new Librarian no longer stores the three media carts in the inner room ~ so they are available to anyone with the key.

Two Sundays ago a new Librarian was called - prior to her and her husband moving here, she was Stake Librarian. She has kept up with all the growth of the Meetinghouse Library over the years and has felt that the growth was good and much needed. We shall see how she does in our wee Branch. Actually we aren't as wee as when I first started out as Librarian. We need about 20-25 more members and then we can be a  . . . . {drum roll please}. . .  Ward!

It has been 30+ years in the making, but we just may be getting there.
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Iggy, I hope you ask around to see if any member has a scanner they would loan the exec secretary to scan them and save them digitally on a usb stick, and urge the bishop in writing to affirmatively ask whether the hard copies can then be destroyed.    The fact that you found them mixed up in the library means that they are not being treated confidentially. And that is because it is impossible to keep them all in paper form costwise or spacewise.
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Forum and Member News / Arbilad
« on: August 11, 2018, 03:06:30 am »
For those of you who remember him from the original Nauvoo forums, he passed away this morning, leaving behind a wife and young son.  All indications appear to be a heart attack.
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News of the Church / Re: Church Worthiness Interviews
« on: August 09, 2018, 10:30:32 am »
Here's the thing:
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And so we surrender our weakness to the Savior. We don't fight against it. We don't "white knuckle" our way through. We don't try harder. We let go. We let the Savior do for us what we could never do for ourselves. We let go of any conditions.

Permanent and daily freedom from addictive behavior and thinking is absolutely available to any addict right now. The Savior only takes upon himself the sins we hand over to him. If we are still holding on to them He cannot and will not take them. Praying harder won't do it. Fasting more won't do it. Going to the temple more won't do it. But giving it to the Savior without strings attached will. And it's not just the addiction we hand over. It's everything.

This is a great statement. It's a wonderful comment. A beautiful sentiment.

But what does it actually mean? Like practically and concretely? Out of the realm of metaphor and symbolism and platitudes? You went into great detail as to what it is not. That ... isn't always helpful, as many of those things ARE what their leaders are specifically counselling them TO do.

I know people who would scream at you THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS DOING ... and then get devastated by a relapse. Believing they were truly giving it all, over weeks and months and years ... and He just simply wasn't taking it. Or in their minds, as you put it, they are "miles away from forgiveness and grace". God was withholding.

And the response, "Well, you must not REALLY have given it to Jesus, you're doing it wrong, you must be holding on, " is incredibly unhelpful, and leads to further despair. It leads to the idea that grace has to be earned to be experienced, which is the absolute opposite meaning of the word.

And the, "Well, if they TRULY weren't holding back, everything would have been taken care of by the Atonement," attitude is very close to what I see as the attitude as exemplified by the Three Very Wrong Friends of Job. "It must be your fault. Only you must be to blame for your suffering."

It has the appearance of pastoral advice, but often ends up having the suffering person being taken out of the picture and replaced by a theological problem that is given a theoretical solution without proper care to the individual and their circumstances themselves. The appearance of godliness, but without the power thereof, one might say. The intentions are great. And it may resonate with one's own personal experience - but without taking the other's actual experiences into consideration it's just a soliloquy.

Please don't misunderstand me - I have no doubt you personally have done great good in helping others through their problems and circumstances of addiction. This isn't what I have a problem with - it's the many times I've seen this sentiment that you expressed repeated as THE ANSWER and a JUDGEMENT without any further attempt to help it to be actually understood and done, and without taking the individual's experiences for their own words, and at full value. I see too often, "Well, I know my thing works, so if you're saying you did what I said, you must be the one who's wrong, and must not REALLY want to let go."

I just REALLY have a strongly adverse reaction to generalizing people's struggle to be free of suffering into a flattened platitude of, "Well, if you'd only..."
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Creative Corner / Re: Photography
« on: August 09, 2018, 05:26:14 am »
I take no credit for this, but it is so good I am posting it. My niece took it somewhere near Daytona, FL, at Sun rise.

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