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News of the Church / Re: COVID takes a temple president
« on: September 07, 2020, 02:26:49 pm »
I really don't think the masks are making that much of a difference.

I think that a business, school, library, facility, etc. has the right to tell me I have to wear a mask if I want to enter the premises.
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Member News / Re: A New Challenge
« on: July 28, 2020, 11:45:40 pm »
Well, it's official. The school board offered me the permanent position of Executive Director, tonight. I accepted. Not really a change from what I've been doing as acting director, but it's nice knowing that it's official. Michelle and I both took substantial pay cuts when we moved from Texas to Utah. This puts us back on track :)
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Latter-day Saint Life / Re: returning to meetings in the chapel.
« on: July 23, 2020, 02:17:27 pm »
You're a good man and a compassionate leader, ScruffyDog. Thank you for caring for members of our Nauvoo family, even though it's not part of your official calling.
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Latter-day Saint Life / Re: returning to meetings in the chapel.
« on: July 21, 2020, 07:23:41 pm »
Scruffy, I would personally LOVE to join your online group!

Though admittedly, as much to hear a proper Scottish accent as anything. <3
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General Discussion / Re: Time to refinance?
« on: July 14, 2020, 07:30:24 pm »
One of the best sports movies ever, IMHO  8)
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Cooking, Food, and Food Storage / Re: Throw-together recipes
« on: June 03, 2020, 10:18:26 pm »
Why didn't you cook the onions with the ground beef or cook the beef in the onions once translucent?
It's easier for me to tell when things are cooked exactly the way I like them if I do them separately. Plus, I really like the flavor of sweet onions sauteed in butter.
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General Discussion / Always wear clean underwear ...
« on: May 25, 2020, 08:18:49 am »
I have an illness that has suddenly required me to have to call an ambulance at times. Sigh. I have to go through the process of adjusting my life including ...!
Always wear non embarrassing, socially acceptable, not humiliating to be seen in public with pajamas!!!!!
So one night I had an attack and crawled to front door, managed to unlock the door and managed to call 911.
 In the ambulance I started to feel better and I realized how I was dressed.
Oh dear! I was going to have to Uber home looking like ...
No more wearing discarded shrunken semi transparent clothing to bed!
There I was post Emergency room waiting for Uber. The ambulance drivers had had mercy on my soul and given me a blanket. I was wearing old wrinkled cotton drawstring pants, gardening crocs, and swathed in the ambulance blanket!
Uber pulled up, I crawled in the back and the driver said ‘I really admire hard all you health care folks are working through the pandemic’.
The relief almost killed me!
So thrifty souls. Saving on nightwear not always a great idea!
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Covid-19 / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 21, 2020, 06:22:59 pm »
One mark of a data and science driven response will be to re-examine what is working and what isn't working well and to implement that. As we do not have double blinded state or country tests, we can still find examples of areas that had a good response and those that did not have a good response to compare them.

Florida did pretty well. New York is by far the worst in the country. They might be good comparisons as they are similar in population and size. Florida might have more elderly, but New York has areas that are a more dense. The density of New York City is not as big a factor, because Tokyo is just as dense and did much, much better than New York. I think one of the biggest distinctions was that Florida developed and distributed a plan early in February that included how to protect nursing homes. Nursing homes would not be forced to take back Covid positive patients from the hospital unless they had the means to isolate them. This ran counter to typical hospital practice, which was to get people in and out as fast as possible. This plan went into effect in mid March. New York put its plan of forcing nursing homes to re-accept Covid positive patients on March 25, and did not change that policy until sometime in May. It is estimated that 25% of the deaths in New York were from nursing homes, and probably due to this policy.

Masks? The jury is still out. Most helpful for those that are currently exhibiting respiratory symptoms. Possibly helpful for asymptomatic people, but this is unknown. This seems to have helped Asian countries.

Lockdown? This does not seem to have helped much beyond an initial unknown period. The extended lockdown is likely harmful in the long run, as it is causing many other harms.

Shutting down schools? This did not help. This was done because they were going off of the influenza playbook, in which school children were a common vector to transmit the flu virus to the elderly. But with Corona virus, there are so few children infected, that this was likely a mistake. Other European countries that did not shut down their schools are nevertheless doing better than the United States. As is repeatedly stated, the Coronavirus is not the influenza virus, so modifications should be made.

Social distancing? This does seem to help. But I think it has diminishing returns with the more strict rules.

Sanitizing everything? It now appears that touching a contaminated object is an unlikely way to become infected. The most common ways appear to be direct droplet spread between people in closer proximity.

Vaccinations? We will know when we get them. But all things point to vaccines being very useful.

Ventilators? Not as useful as we were led to believe. Also not needed in as great of numbers.

N95s and CAPRs? Helpful for me, as I intubated a few Covid positive patients and was never infected. N95s are also helpful for me to mow the lawn and not get overwhelmed with pollen.

Shutting down beaches? This does not appear to have been helpful.

Facebook? I have learned that many of my friends are crazies. But I still love them.
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Covid-19 / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 06, 2020, 01:33:39 pm »
The couple that ingested fish tank cleaner were well educated Democrats. The wife is now under investigation for murder. This makes much more sense than the narrative that the media was pushing, of a dumb couple so devoid of common sense and enammored with the gold that pours out of President Trumps lips that they immediately went and thought that fish tank cleaner was the same thing as medicine.

Anyone who came away from watching President Trump's press briefing where he wondered aloud how disinfectant could be used to kill the virus, and thinking that he was encouraging people to inject it is absolutely being misled by a narrative that is being pushed by the media and others. They made that throwaway line (meaning thinking out loud) the headline for 3 or 4 days, ignoring all of the other important things that were occurring.

In none of the reports on an increase in poison control center calls is there any mention of the increase being because of people following the media's narrative that people should ingest disinfectant. The increase was compared to the same couple of days from a year ago, failing to note that an increase had been happening since the lockdowns began, well before that throwaway line occurred. This is much more likely due to more people stuck at home in an infectious outbreak, so they are cleaning their homes more. More exposure will naturally lead to more calls.

The delay in testing supplies is not because of funding cuts or "gutting". The delay was not because the US did not use the WHO's test. The delay was due to a problem with one of the reagents that led to individual labs not being able to get consistent results at their own laboratories. Without the use of a time machine to know the outcome of that reagent, at the government, policy making level, choosing to go with the CDC's test was not a wrong choice.

Trump does not keep calling this the "Chinese virus". It has been weeks since he made the decision to stop calling it that.

There is a very carefully crafted disinformation and propaganda campaign being waged right now by the Chinese government and their surrogates. Unfortunately, the Democrats' goal of unseating President Trump aligns with much of the propaganda. Some day it may align with the Republicans. In either case be wary when all the pushed narratives seem to align with what we wish to be true, or our own preconceptions.
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The Church is still true. We endure and press on.
No truer words. I hope you can find an online resource.  Our stake is MIA but two stakes here are broadcasting every Sunday talks and music. I find it very comforting.  The Stake I usually listen to does two versions so I am rejoicing in English language messages every Sunday. These are really well put together and produced from the Antwerp Belgium Stake which has wards in the Netherlands down south.

Scruffy, thank you for your kind idea.  I think it would be wonderful to hear other voices during the week. Since it has to be like a library in here during the day, no television and earphones are my lot.  Listening to Facebook Live sounds wonderful. so yes, please.

A brother  in our unit started a Private Facebook group for members.  There is not much traffic except for one brother who publishes big thoughts every day.  In Dutch.   Sometimes I read em but reading in Dutch is not fun.   Sunday at noon there is a facebook live sunday school class. but it is not smoothly interactive. I dunno why they don't use Zoom like technology.   But I listen because the teacher is one fine mind.
And it helps my Dutch listening skills.
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Covid-19 / Re: COVID-19
« on: May 02, 2020, 04:18:42 am »
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form of universal healthcare. At this point, I'll probably support it.

I won’t.
I have watched video and read news stories that show Doc&Cov 121:39 in full action.  The last thing in the world I want to do is give government any more power over my life.  I’ve watched the goalposts be moved, time and again over the course of this; from ‘we just want to give hospitals time to prepare’ to the insanity I see now in the state where I unfortunately live, and in others.  I am tired of the power squeezing I see, from county officials all the way up.

We are all going to see what we want to see from our government officials.  Roper sees screwups where I don’t, and vice versa.  He won’t change my mind, and I won’t change his.  But I will be flat-damned if I ever vote for a policy or a politician that would result in the government having the power to decide what care I am allowed to receive, or to build a point system on who deserves care.  Under that, they would send my mother home to die.  I watched that unofficially happen five months ago.  Thank God she did not.  I will not go quietly into that night again.
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Oh dear me. This old ark does not need steadying.  I am not at all losing my testimony.  I support the First Presidency. Honestly I do.  I am an outlier and often do not fit the mold. And that is fine. I learned a long time ago to live the Gospel AS IF with little meaningful support from the institution. And it is fine. The one thing I do depend on the Priesthood is Sacrament.  For the rest, I am on my own.   The Lord knows my heart, and in the long long alone hours He is my companion.  MAKE NO MISTAKE.  I know that my Redeemer liveth. And it is fine.

Part of my grievance is founded in local leadership.  In a pandemic you would think there would be an upsurge in tending the flock. This includes passing Sacrament, texting  people, making calls. Of course, I am not part of the inner circle, so maybe that IS happening, but I am not aware of it.
My testimony is not grounded in people or places or things. But I watch the steady drip of leavers and this is why they leave.
I am used to no notice by VT and HT. It is part of my gig in life to be ignored except if they need 25 sanitary holders sewn for girls in India so I got to do that entire RS service project all by myself at home....I did it for the girls and hope they like them and it makes their lives better. 
I am continuing to make and send greeting cards to whomever the Spirit directs me every day.  It is all I can do for the aged and alone who have no one at all.

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General Conference / Re: 2020 April Saturday Sessions
« on: April 23, 2020, 10:40:51 pm »
Sorry to detract from the serious conversation going on. You can look at this as an interlude or interruption depending on your preference.

Curlybat,
See my PM about someone I know in the Church History dept to contact.  You could also contact someone in the PhD programs in archeology at one of the universities in the state and see if they would be willing to do some of that excavation and verification for their doctoral project.

Thanks! I did reach out but I found our family organization has been busy during my absence of late. With the death of my father, the loss of my income a few years ago and some family issues I had to step back a little. Plus, it also appears that I was left off the e-mail list  :(

The Church did conduct an inspection of the area with ground penetrating radar (probably when contemplating the area as a temple site - they already owned the land and leased it out to farmers). The grave sites were found and even more than originally thought. The family organization met with a member of the Presiding Bishopric a a couple months ago (who also happens to be a descendant of the first member of the family to settle on the site). Current conceptual plans for the site include a pioneer cemetery in a planned park near the temple. The fort marker or replacement may be integrated somehow but I am just assuming that at this point.

 
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General Conference / Re: 2020 April Saturday Sessions
« on: April 16, 2020, 04:40:15 am »
Highlighting where some of my concerns come from I take this post https://www.the-exponent.com/guest-post-swallowed-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1577053 on the Exponent Blog.

Which details one sister who has taken it upon herself to bless the sacrament. In one of the comments we can read this.

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I have a priesthood holding husband, and yet I, too, participated in this ordinance in our home: my small children (girls and boy) broke the bread, and I knelt and blessed it, and my children passed it. My husband knelt and blessed the water, and my daughter passed the cups.

There was no lightning bolt from heaven. There was no withdrawal of spirit. The emblems were just as meaningful as they’d always been, and perhaps more, as I watched my children break and pass with pride.

This is a dangerous extension of talking about the priesthood power and authority of women. They undoubtedly have it, but it, just like the priesthood power and authority of men, has bounds.

I can't bless the sacrament in my home without the express approval my bishop. And yet sisters are doing it, and children are breaking the bread.

There are, as Beefche notes, callings that are reserved for men that could be done by women - no priesthood is required for the calling, and any priesthood power and authority used in that calling comes from being set apart - clerk, exec. sec., Sunday School presidency.

However, I believe that it is for protection that these callings are not extended to women, in general (in Hong Kong for instance, some times these functions are done by women). There are not many women who would always be comfortable with their husband spending alone time, in the chapel, with their female clerk (reviewing the monthly financial statement, tithing settlement, etc.). Also, it might be easier for a Bishop to coerce a young female clerk into helping him inappropriate church funds.

But I would not have a problem with any of these callings being held by women from a being able to do them POV. In fact a female Sunday School presidency would be a refreshing change.
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General Conference / Re: 2020 April Saturday Sessions
« on: April 16, 2020, 12:33:06 am »
Maybe the problem  here isn't as much the topic itself (though it is a problematic one) but the fact that the thread that was about the uplifting messages we heard in the conference turned into a discussion of women getting the priesthood (again, it has frequented here in many threads). So looking for one thing the reader gets something they did not want.

Maybe next time when the thought comes that "what he said I interpret to mean this about priesthood/same sex marriage/other hard topic"  the person thinking it makes another thread altogether about it (and titles it clearly) or says the one thought and then makes the new thread and says those who want to continue dicsussing this, may join me in this new thread?
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